We can always go with plan b again

The 22B ? :nod:

I never underestimate Porsches or BM's.

There are plenty that are rapid.

I feel a bit guilty because I'm German and I can't help you on this. I haven't got much technical understanding. I only LOVE Impreza's and that's nearly it. :oops::) But we have a member on the WOC, Lee_1075, who is English but lives in Germany. I'm sure he can help you lot a bit. If a member from here who is also a member of the WOC contacts him, I'm sure he will be more than happy to try to explain it to you. Or you can tell me what you would like to know and I'll ask him. :smile:

As for the Autobahn, Rob, I have written it somewhere here already but I'm not sure everybody read it and I certainly don't want to spoil your fun, guys. I love these unlimited areas, too. But you should possilby always keep in mind that, if you're doing more than 130 km/h in these areas and get involved in an accident, even if you didn't cause it (say, some idiot pulls out too close in front of you), you will be made partly guilty as well.

The same goes for alcohol. I don't know how it works in Britain, but if you had just one beer here, which is of course under the allowed limit of 0.5%, and get involved in an accident that you haven't caused, you will be made partly guilty, too.

Again, I hope you don't think I'm a spoilsport, I do wish you lot as much fun as possible over here. But I know that a lot of people are not aware of this. :smile:

Thank you for the advise Kerstin.

But to clear things up.

On a unrestricted road we can go as fast as we like,:yeah::yeah:

provided you do not have an accident.:nono:

Yup, that's what it is about, Ian. :nod: :grin: The most important thing to know is that it is the accidents that are not caused by you that could get you in a trouble that you haven't thought about before. :-o:nod:

Possibly best way to Auderath: Not sure which way you normally go when you come over. But my brother (he is a long-distance lorry driver and basically lives on the motorways in Belgium, France and Germany) just told me it might be best to go on the E40 to Aachen, then on the A4 towards Köln, at junction 9 on the A61 towards Koblenz and at junction 34 via B262 to the A48 towards Trier and Auderath. He said the other route is filled with loads of road works and one lane traffic. On the route I've just described there are also about two road works but by far not as many as on the other route. Just a hint. :)

We need to talk about the route there this year. As Kerstin has mentioned her brother is always in the Belgium area he is going to know best. Just a suggestion use the brothers knowledge. :wink:

What "is needed " to get it going ?
Not including tarting bits

Don't feel guilty Kerstin. Your German ( some might say the best cars on the planet are built there) & drive Jap Mmmmm maybe you should feel some guilt. :rofl:

Engine bay needs a clear up and mapping

Want to finish the rest really.... Yes I'm a TART :D

At least you would have some more fun, Nige. :yeah:

Never ever I will feel guilty for this. Germans never managed to build such a pretty car like the Impreza. ;-):-D

Another hint: Mind the gap. The German police has found another hobby: measuring the space between the cars on the motorway. So better make sure you leave enough space. It can be up to €400 depending on how small the gap is you leave. :)

Calling Big E :whistle:

Well stop being a tart get it mapped ,take it to Germany and sort out later . It's for driving not looking at !:p

Haha I know.... Just need to talk to Si :)

Well text him and get it sorted & enjoy it :)

Mapping booked ;)

Good :)

Yes I am here. :nod:

Thanks for the heads up Kerstin. Our group have had some bad luck and expensive costs, last year and year before in France so will probably try and save most of it for the track. I get the feeling the porsche and M3 drivers are going to have to be very disciplined to not get provoked into the moment :)

We are ring Virgin's and have never been and don't even know where we are going to get there, or even have any experience of the track, so will likley be letting the ring veterens take lead....

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We are ring Virgin's and have never been and don't even know where we are going to get there, or even have any experience of the track, so will likley be letting the ring veterens take lead....[/QUOTE]

LETTING!!! Bloody LETTING!!! Us take the lead Mmmmm I'm looking forward to this................
Oh! I forgot I'm not in the Evo. Ok mate you go 1st :yeah:

I seriously hope that I haven't spoiled the fun for you guys, Rob. :nod: I just wanted you lot to be aware of the possible consequences. I don't think the Porsche and M3 drivers etc. will be more disciplined than usual, as I told you they all love the unrestricted sections. Just keep the facts in mind and have fun. :nod: :grin: I only didn't want you lot finding yourselves in a trouble that you would have never expected. I know that not even every German is aware of all that. I'm sure you'll be fine following the Ring veterans and I'm also totally sure you willl enjoy this trip no end. :nod::yeah:

Of cause Kerstin, you have always been very careful not to a have a little chat with the boys in Blue, havent you. :lol: :whistle:

No, Ian, I don't talk to them to much. :D I prefer letters of surprise, well, it wasn't really a surprise, was it? :lol:

lol - You spotted that little play of words then ;):D.... Your very competative Nige ;)!

Don't underestimate that Hawk of yours, if might not be as quick in the twisties as your ex Evo/Tree, But I reckon the scoob will serve you very well and certainly isn't slow. Having had a E46 M3 that hawk would be very closely matched.

But to throw some stats:

E46 M3 power to weight of 216bhp/tonne.
Hawk STI running 350bhp = power to weight of 245bhp/tonne
The E92's have a power to weight of 250bhp/tonne.
Classic circa 450bhp has power to weight of around 350bhp/tonne.
classic 911 turbo 550bhp power to weight of around 480bhp/tonne.

As I've always maintained BHP is great, but after a point, it's all about how much bottle/skill the driver has. I have no illusion that I will be properly spanked by many French cars running half my power on the ring.

On paper the E92 isn't that quick compared to a modified scoob... But I've never taken much notice of paper power of figures, as a road car its about the whole experience..

Me competitive your dead right I am. Car or bike don't matter to me. I'm a dick when it comes to stuff like that I can't help it. I will be on my very best behaviour this trip as the Scoob must come back. :wink:

Kerstin,

Is this the route ??

Distance: 291.8 miles (show in km)
Time: 4 hr 45 min
0.0
Start: Head southeast on Rue du Président Wilson toward Rue de la Marine
0.1
Turn left to stay on Rue du Président Wilson
0.1
Turn left onto Bd Alexandre III
0.3
Turn right onto Pl. Jean Bart
0.3
Continue onto Bd Sainte-Barbe
0.8
Turn right onto Av. du Stade
Go through 1 roundabout
1.1
Continue onto Av. de la Libération/D635
Continue to follow D635
1.9
Keep left at the fork, follow signs for A16/E40/Ostende/Bruges/Bray-Dunes/Furnes/Veurne/Téteghem and merge onto A16/E40
Entering Belgium
9.9
Continue onto E40
92.5
Take exit 11-17-Groot-Bijgaarden for E40/E19 toward E411/Namen/Luik/Antwerpen/Luchthaven Zaventem
93.3
Merge onto E19
93.9
Continue onto E40
101.4
Slight left to stay on E40
104.3
Slight right to stay on E40 (signs for Luik/Leuven/Brussel)
183.0
Take exit 39-Aachen-Süd for N68 toward Hauset
183.3
Turn right onto Aachener Strasse/N68
Entering Germany
184.8
Continue onto Eupener Straße/B57
Continue to follow B57
188.3
Turn left onto Hackländerstraße
188.4
Slight right onto Vereinsstraße
188.5
Turn right onto Römerstraße/B1/B264
188.6
Turn left onto Kurbrunnenstraße/B1/B264/B57
Continue to follow B1/B264
188.9
Turn right onto Augustastraße
Destination will be on the right
189.2
Arrive at Aachen, Germany
Section time: 3:02, Total time: 3:02
189.2
Start: Head east on Augustastraße
189.2
Take the 1st right to stay on Augustastraße
189.2
Turn left onto Kongressstraße
189.3
Continue onto Aretzstraße
189.6
Turn right onto Blücherplatz
189.8
At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto A544
193.6
Merge onto A4
217.2
Take exit 9-Kreuz Kerpen to merge onto A61 toward Koblenz
228.0
Slight left to stay on A61
264.8
Take exit 34-Mendig toward Mayen/Maria Laach
264.9
Turn left onto B262
270.0
Slight right onto the ramp to Trier Koblenz/Münstermaifeld/Mayen-Süd-zentrum/Mayen-Süd-Alzheim/A48
270.1
Keep left at the fork and merge onto B262
272.4
Merge onto A48 via the ramp to Trier
288.7
Take exit 2-Ulmen toward B259
288.9
Turn left onto B257
289.2
Continue onto B259
291.2
Turn right onto L102
291.7
Turn left onto Kirchstraße
291.7
Turn left onto Brunnenstraße
291.8
Take the 1st right onto Talstraße
Destination will be on the right
291.8
Arrive at Auderath, Germany
Section time: 1:43, Total time: 4:45
:WR1::worzel::P1::scoob::scoob: :granby: :worzel: :crowman:

It's the bit I marked red that is a bit strange, Nige, as it guides you along a lot of country roads through the Eiffel.


Distance: 291.8 miles (show in km)
Time: 4 hr 45 min
0.0
Start: Head southeast on Rue du Président Wilson toward Rue de la Marine
0.1
Turn left to stay on Rue du Président Wilson
0.1
Turn left onto Bd Alexandre III
0.3
Turn right onto Pl. Jean Bart
0.3
Continue onto Bd Sainte-Barbe
0.8
Turn right onto Av. du Stade
Go through 1 roundabout
1.1
Continue onto Av. de la Libération/D635
Continue to follow D635
1.9
Keep left at the fork, follow signs for A16/E40/Ostende/Bruges/Bray-Dunes/Furnes/Veurne/Téteghem and merge onto A16/E40
Entering Belgium
9.9
Continue onto E40
92.5
Take exit 11-17-Groot-Bijgaarden for E40/E19 toward E411/Namen/Luik/Antwerpen/Luchthaven Zaventem
93.3
Merge onto E19
93.9
Continue onto E40
101.4
Slight left to stay on E40
104.3
Slight right to stay on E40 (signs for Luik/Leuven/Brussel)
183.0
Take exit 39-Aachen-Süd for N68 toward Hauset
183.3
Turn right onto Aachener Strasse/N68
Entering Germany
184.8
Continue onto Eupener Straße/B57
Continue to follow B57
188.3
Turn left onto Hackländerstraße
188.4
Slight right onto Vereinsstraße
188.5
Turn right onto Römerstraße/B1/B264
188.6
Turn left onto Kurbrunnenstraße/B1/B264/B57
Continue to follow B1/B264
188.9
Turn right onto Augustastraße
Destination will be on the right
189.2
Arrive at Aachen, Germany
Section time: 3:02, Total time: 3:02
189.2
Start: Head east on Augustastraße
189.2
Take the 1st right to stay on Augustastraße
189.2
Turn left onto Kongressstraße
189.3
Continue onto Aretzstraße
189.6
Turn right onto Blücherplatz
189.8
At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto A544
193.6
Merge onto A4
217.2
Take exit 9-Kreuz Kerpen to merge onto A61 toward Koblenz
228.0
Slight left to stay on A61
264.8
Take exit 34-Mendig toward Mayen/Maria Laach
264.9
Turn left onto B262
270.0
Slight right onto the ramp to Trier Koblenz/Münstermaifeld/Mayen-Süd-zentrum/Mayen-Süd-Alzheim/A48
270.1
Keep left at the fork and merge onto B262
272.4
Merge onto A48 via the ramp to Trier
288.7
Take exit 2-Ulmen toward B259
288.9
Turn left onto B257
289.2
Continue onto B259
291.2
Turn right onto L102
291.7
Turn left onto Kirchstraße
291.7
Turn left onto Brunnenstraße
291.8
Take the 1st right onto Talstraße
Destination will be on the right
291.8
Arrive at Auderath, Germany




I've replaced it as follows:

continue on E40 (signs for Köln)

take exit 4 (Kreuz Aachen) to stay on E40 and continue following signs for Köln

(see my next post as well)

So this is the route my brother is recommending (it'll take you about 10 minutes more than the route you printed) : :)

Time: 4 hr 45 min
0.0
Start: Head southeast on Rue du Président Wilson toward Rue de la Marine
0.1
Turn left to stay on Rue du Président Wilson
0.1
Turn left onto Bd Alexandre III
0.3
Turn right onto Pl. Jean Bart
0.3
Continue onto Bd Sainte-Barbe
0.8
Turn right onto Av. du Stade
Go through 1 roundabout
1.1
Continue onto Av. de la Libération/D635
Continue to follow D635
1.9
Keep left at the fork, follow signs for A16/E40/Ostende/Bruges/Bray-Dunes/Furnes/Veurne/Téteghem and merge onto A16/E40
Entering Belgium
9.9
Continue onto E40
92.5
Take exit 11-17-Groot-Bijgaarden for E40/E19 toward E411/Namen/Luik/Antwerpen/Luchthaven Zaventem
93.3
Merge onto E19
93.9
Continue onto E40
101.4
Slight left to stay on E40
104.3
Slight right to stay on E40 (signs for Luik/Leuven/Brussel)
183.0

continue on E40 (signs for Köln)

take exit 4 (Kreuz Aachen) to stay on E40 and continue following signs for Köln

Take exit 9-Kreuz Kerpen to merge onto A61 toward Koblenz
228.0
Slight left to stay on A61
264.8
Take exit 34-Mendig toward Mayen/Maria Laach
264.9
Turn left onto B262
270.0
Slight right onto the ramp to Trier Koblenz/Münstermaifeld/Mayen-Süd-zentrum/Mayen-Süd-Alzheim/A48
270.1
Keep left at the fork and merge onto B262
272.4
Merge onto A48 via the ramp to Trier
288.7
Take exit 2-Ulmen toward B259
288.9
Turn left onto B257
289.2
Continue onto B259
291.2
Turn right onto L102
291.7
Turn left onto Kirchstraße
291.7
Turn left onto Brunnenstraße
291.8
Take the 1st right onto Talstraße
Destination will be on the right
291.8
Arrive at Auderath, Germany

And in case you lot want to make a break, my brother said it's best to do it after you have passed Brussel. Try to get past Brussel by noon, otherwise that bit will be manic. Well, the whole route could be manic anyway because that Friday when you come over is when everyone travels home for a long weekend.

Thank you Kerstin,

The first year we did the ring trip it was also on a German bank holiday.

We then followed my sat nav and it wasn't too bad.

I will get it programmed in to my sat nav. :doubleup:


On the journey we normally stop at a big Shell service station on the E40 that has a bridge over the motorway. (its about an 1.5 hours from Dunkirk )

Fine, Ian. I'll keep my fingers crossed that you all have a fantastic trip over here. :nod::scoob::drive::drive::drive::drive::drive: :doubleup:

I am sure we will..:doubleup:

3 WEEKS TODAY !!!!



At this time we will be at the garage on the M20 .

:WR1::worzel::granby::P1::crowman::crowman::drive: :drive::drive::drive::drive::drive::drive: :drive::drive::drive::drive::drive::drive::drive: :drive: :drive: :drive::drive::drive::drive: :rally: :rally:

Love your passion, Ian. :10::yeah::yeah::yeah: :D Can't wait myself either. :yeah::yeah::yeah::more::more::more::more::D


Do you guys know when you're having breakfast on the Saturday morning (just about)? I'm planning to be there when you have finished. But as it is at least a five-hour trip for me I need to know when I have to fall out of my bed that morning. :D

Depends on beer intake Kerstin :)

Ha ha, I think that's sort of a lie, James. :wink: I've sussed you out. :lol: I know you lot can't wait to go to the Ring on Saturday morning. :yeah::more:

Kerstin
Im betting that some of us would have only just got back to hotel at breakfast time :-)

Im guessing that we will all be outside playing with our cars by about 09.30am
but,Why dont you come and join us for breakfast, im sure that a tea or coffee will be much needed after your 5 hour journey

I think I'll leave here at about 3 am, Martyn, depending on me getting my brother out of his bed by then as he wants to come along. :grin: But I'll try my best. :grin: Yup, a tea or coffee would be certainly nice. :nod: