I went to piss in the bushes today... was busting and didn't think i could hold my breath for long enough in there :D

PMSL :lol:

It's bad enough in the winter for the smell, fook knows how bad it is in the heat :shock:

I reckon they should have a monitor in the bog so you can watch your car on the rollers , then if it goes bang, your in the right place :-)

PMSL at this thread :rofl:

Im sure CJ would have time to clean it... :D

CJ is never there, he would never get the chance :wink: :whistle:

It would be safer to just pour some meths in the bog and set it on fire. I can almost hear the bacteria screaming at the thought :mrgreen:

Just booked myself in for a RR run on Friday, as a baseline/benchmark for mine before I get busy with the modding/remapping. Will also be 'Guinea Pig' for SES

Hope all goes well Friday Scott, will be interesting to get your thoughts on the RR. Can't help but wonder what the WC will be like:wink:

It'll be good to get a report then matey, take a picture of the bogs too :ok:

Should be interesting to see where it is power wise at the moment.:ok:

wots with the picture of the bogs.:mrgreen:

Book power for the PPP and according to the Prodrive sticker on the door is 316BHP.
It's boosting bang on what's defined in the boost target map, fuelling is bang on and ignition timing is running full IAM, so the theory say's it should be close....

Bum-Dyno also thinks it's about 300-320BHP, not as quick as my classic (335BHP) due to being down a bit on power and up a bit in weight, but it is acceptable power rather then under-powered at the moment.

Road dyno puts it at about 305BHP, but the test road is very slightly up-hill and road dyno's are very subjective and dependant very much on the parameters configured.

Will be interesting to see what it makes and if I think the rollers are accurate.

SilverSurfer can often be found a round the bogs. :lol:

I dont really want to get into a/the debate but do feel charlies has got a bit of a hard time unecessarily or rather credit has not been given for what it does do.

I have used and do use a lot of dynos all over the country and europe and I dont know of anyone else that takes the time and effort to try and get the correct figures from a car.
I dont know anyone else that is on it as much to stop and get out and adjust strapping or sense when there is something not right.
I can concerntrate on mapping a car and not have to be concerned with anything other than doing so. The fan is very good, the wideband always works, the boost monitoring accurate.
I suspect charlie has dyno'd more cars than most and he has taught a number of people how to operate their dyno.

Yes the loo may not be the best (especially if we have been for a curry the night before) but if the loo was plush and smelt of roses but the dyno operation was as crap as the loo smells would you be happy?

I travel 80miles and 1.5hours to use his dyno for mapping several times most weeks by choice, there are nearer ones, I have tried them and I wouldnt take my car their for a powerrun let alone map a customers car, no I wont name names either.

I am there for the next two days in fact :)
Simon

See you tomorrow Simon :D

Simon,

I don't think this thread was ever a dig at charlie, just an announcement that for those local there 'MAY' be a suitable rolling road.

The thing about the loo just kinda got carried away........

I'm about to dust off the old Blue one and head up to Charlie's in a bit - yes it could be cleaner but the dyno is spot on and on the times I've just had a 'power run' even without Simon's presence Charlie has made comments about the setup/running of the car that have always proved to be accurate when further investigated. There is little substitute for experience and to be fair I'd say Charlie's knowledge of cars, in particular Subaru's goes far further than your average Dyno Operator - plus one phone call and you have either Simon, Pats or another Knowledgeable chap on the end of the phone for advice!

Wasnt this thread only about a local dyno and checking it out?

Simon, I agree 100% with what Scott says, this thread was never a dig at Charlie, in fact it brought lots of members on to say how happy they are with his services and how they wouldn't change, myself included.

The bog thing is kind of tongue in cheek, it has legendary status as being an ex breeding ground for Saddam Hussein's chemical warfare programme.

Yes, I and many others use Charlie & Yourself and will continue to do so, because we like what we get as a package up there. This RR is just an alternative for people who live further South and East in the region. It has to be worth a look :nod:

:agreed: The only way any of us know if anything is any good or not, is for someone to try it:nod: think Scott knows enough to make a valued judgement too:nod:

Just have a poo and a wee before you leave home then it won't matter about the bloody toilet,I have never put one of my cars on a rolling road but would rather drive a bit more to go to someone who is the best,regardless of the bogs but great that Scott is trying out a new company which is local to him and also closer to me as well as wanna check mine out shortly, so always nice to have options

Paul said he wouldnt map a car there.... Says enough for me

Have to say that the place has had a bit of a spruce up based on todays experience so far!

Maybe someone has passed on the message :wink:

I was going to pop in today, but the M25 was fooked. 2 hours to get to Guildford instead of the usual 1 hour :sadnod:

Hows Angers car doing?

Running map happenning at some point today

Did you have problems getting there today Simon?

At 10.45am It was solid from Just after M23 - Junction 10, and looking chocka block there after too :sadnod:

Yes lucky I left early

Yep it even still smells good in the loo here after mr gimp has visited!!!!

Simon

Ps: I dont normally post from in the loo honest

PMSL :lol:

This is turning into "Bog Gate" :ok:

Sorry guy's didn't look in the loo's.
But they are in the main reception area for the public to use, so they may be a tad cleaner then Charlies ;)

In all seriousness, spent an hour or so with Chris of Chris Langley's with the car on the rollers. A very nice guy who is clearly keen to get the best out of his new rolling road aquisition.

The rollers are similar to that used in the past by Power Engineering and use the coast down to caluclate the transmission loss. I beleive they are MAHA. OK this is older technology to the more recent rollers like Dyno Dynamics or more modern MAHA, but they are well proven.
Having used Power Engineering many times with my old Ford's I'm happy to use them again, especially as they are only 1.5 miles away.

Chris bought this equipment 2nd hand and has spent several months setting it all up. It has primarily been bought for his race car preparation, which is a RallyCross Cossie running Pectel Management and some kind of Westfield/Caterham thing.
He is willing to open it up for RR shoot out days, one-off rolling road dyno runs (book through the office), or offers to operate the rollers if the customer wants to map his own car.

He doesn't appear to have the wealth of experience with mapping modern engine management systems on multiple vehicle platforms, that some venue's have, but having only just set-up the rollers for the reasons above I wouldn't expect him too.

Bottom line is that the rollers appear to work, he's a nice chap trying hard to grow his business, so I for one will support him and use him where possible.

A number of rolling roads (SRR excluded) make the customer uncomfortable and don't listen to what the customer has to say, obviously because they know best....believe me I know as have visited a few over the years. Chris does not do this, he listened to what I had to say and even took some of my suggestions on board.

OK results.......
Car :
STi Hawkeye 2007 PPP
Modifications :
K&N Panel Filter
2.75" CatBack System
2.5" TSL Rear Box
Un-modified Prodrive PPP ECU

338BHP / 326lbft
Several runs where done making slight variations to the applied load of the rollers which made slight variations in result. We settled on the above after lowering the load didn't seem to drop the power figure much further.

I'm prepared to accept that is may be a little high by about 5%. But then again I have heard that the STi Hawkeye OE figures can be a little conservative (316BHP for PPP, without filter or exhaust mods). Either way it's a benchmark for me to improve upon.

To help confirm that the car was being loaded up correctly I logged all the runs on the laptop and Target Boost, AFR, WGDC, Engine Load and Ignition timing all hitting pretty much spot on in accordance with it's respective map settings (Key ones being Target Boost and Engine Load).

I then performed the same out on the real road and the logs where very similar to that captured on the RR. So happy it is all setup correct.

I will put up a graph on 'MY Urban Grey STi' thread once scanned.

Nice write up Scott

Nice one scott.

What did Chris want £ wise Scott. Pm me please. :drive:

as said very good right up scott.

when i started this thread it was only because i had found somewere local
(10 min from my house rather than 2hour) that had a 4 wheel dyno nothing was ment as a dig to charlie and i dont no were that came from!

Good write up scott, even if its 5% out like you say it may well be but as long as you go back there for each run then you can see between the gains correctly.

So over reads just the same as Power engineerings always did

My Standard apart from decatt My99 made 257bhp there ;)

good read scott and would be happy to use them for sure

As Paul and Tone said the fans were small.... What did you think of them Scott ?

Good write up Scott :10:

I reckon it's well worth an RR day. I would come along for a spy at the place and a day out, but I would still stick for now with Charlie, just because as previously stated I like the package I get with Simon & Charlie.

It's a great find though, so happy days :ok: