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Skullfudge 25-11-2009 05:28 PM

Verdict on 20% Meths
 
Had my first opportunity of seeing what the 20% Meths felt like this morning as I had a site meeting in Basildon and decided to take the P1.

I'm obviously not talking Track Day driving as the roads were occupied but I had the odd opportunity of getting in the boost range and there was a slight increase in performance and it felt more responsive however not heaps more. I was shifting really early at 5500 due to noise levels that seemed to be distracting other motorists, but an increase of acceleration was evident.

On the return trip I had about about half a mile of empty lane in front of me so leaving it in 6th I slowly built up and at exactly 4 grand (105mph) I floored it. First thing I noticed out the corner of my left eye was a red light on the Defi Turbo boost gauge (which never normally happens). The turbo is set at 2.1 bar and this proved the Meths made a difference as it shot past that causing the red light, so I lifted off power. Not sure what bar it was because the needle went as far as it could and there is no reading at that point. (may need a gauge with readings up to 3.0.

It proved a waste of time really so I am looking forward to getting it on the next track day, hopefully before xmas.

The Launch Control is totally mad and very advisable to you guys. I can test this properly at the next track day too.

I tried it last week at home but the Mrs became slightly concerned when I nearly set fire to the front garden.

I believe I upset a neighbour too, as she has mentioned to someone that her dog hadn't left it's kennel since the Launch Control test four days ago, so I will have to wait until I am at the track before I can use it properly and I will let you know.

Chunk 25-11-2009 05:35 PM

Sounds good mate

Must be putting a smile on your face still

Nige 25-11-2009 05:39 PM

I like the bit about the dog Ha! Ha!:10: Your car must be MAD :wink:

worzel 26-11-2009 08:31 AM

Sounds absolutely awesome mate.

:five:

Ratboy 26-11-2009 10:15 PM

Good little write up...have been pondering with the meth route for a while now....weather it was worth the hassel or not.

Skullfudge 26-11-2009 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratboy (Post 29170)
Good little write up...have been pondering with the meth route for a while now....weather it was worth the hassel or not.

Def worth it.

£ 140.00 for 205 Lts at the mo delivered next day with a free dispenser !

My friend followed me for about 20 miles the other day. No reason other than he loved the smell :)

Ratboy 27-11-2009 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skullfudge (Post 29171)
Def worth it.

£ 140.00 for 205 Lts at the mo delivered next day with a free dispenser !

My friend followed me for about 20 miles the other day. No reason other than he loved the smell :)

:-D,yeah,it does smell lush.
The thing that worries me is 'Anger' was telling me that it seperates in the tank in a few days so really you need to end your journey with an empty tank.
He seems to manage it ok,and i am hungry for power,just a little worried about the possibility of lump damage due to seperation.
On another note,Anger showed me a pic of your car on surreyscoobies yesterday,as i was wondering where to put my number plate.
We share the same splitter and it looks really good on your car,so have gone down this route rather than the square evo style.....nice 1.....:santagrin:

Steve_PPP 27-11-2009 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skullfudge (Post 29063)
I believe I upset a neighbour too, as she has mentioned to someone that her dog hadn't left it's kennel since the Launch Control test four days ago, so I will have to wait until I am at the track before I can use it properly and I will let you know.

awesome :lol:

Skullfudge 27-11-2009 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratboy (Post 29184)
:-D,yeah,it does smell lush.
The thing that worries me is 'Anger' was telling me that it seperates in the tank in a few days so really you need to end your journey with an empty tank.
He seems to manage it ok,and i am hungry for power,just a little worried about the possibility of lump damage due to seperation.
On another note,Anger showed me a pic of your car on surreyscoobies yesterday,as i was wondering where to put my number plate.
We share the same splitter and it looks really good on your car,so have gone down this route rather than the square evo style.....nice 1.....:santagrin:


That shouldn't be too much of a problem Rat as Olly mentioned to me that I just need to make sure there is at least 20% Meths to be on the safe side when running in Map 2. If there is 25% Meths that will be ok.

It's ok to run with Meths in the tank if I have it on "Map 1" which is the map for V Power.
The danger is having "Map 2" selected when there is no Meths in the fuel system. So I will run until the tank is virtually empty then fill with V Power and select Map 1.

I am not suggesting that Anger is wrong, but I have not heard anything relating to fuel separation. I would have assumed that if Matt/Olly thought it would prove an issue they would have told me when considering how much I have spent on the motor.

Ratboy 27-11-2009 06:19 PM

Interesting......yep,understand what you mean about the map order.
If theres one thing ive learnt about these cars,its that the fuel guage under reads the amount of fuel.....according to my book the guages arnt 'linier' and states that empty is around quater full,quarter is half and so on.
I can well believe this because in my old WRX that had the old 50L tank,it stayed on full on the guage for ages,then dropped.
Also even when it was on less than empty i could never fit more than 40 L in the tank.
But as you say,if you do the map order correctly,it should be no probs.
Does it run a little rich if there is more than meth dregs left of V power map?
Have you got some spec on your car on here (ie projects thread)
Mines a built lump too and would be interested in what you've done.
Cheers dude.....:mrgreen:

Anger 27-11-2009 07:07 PM

Info comes from Steve SMG and i think he knows abit about tuned Subarus ;)

Everyday car no problems, but with cars like mine that sit still for most of the month, im not taking any chances :drive:

Skullfudge 27-11-2009 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anger (Post 29260)
Info comes from Steve SMG and i think he knows abit about tuned Subarus ;)

Everyday car no problems, but with cars like mine that sit still for most of the month, im not taking any chances :drive:


I can understand that Anger. I have heard Methanol is a lot more corrosive than pump.

Won't argue with SMG :)

Anger 27-11-2009 07:56 PM

I just want mine back on the road now.... missing it big time, got a big drum of meth and nothing to stick it in lol

Ratboy 27-11-2009 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anger (Post 29266)
I just want mine back on the road now.... missing it big time, got a big drum of meth and nothing to stick it in lol

Tell me about it!
Been waiting 4 months now....just 1-2 months to go now....:grin:

Anger 27-11-2009 08:03 PM

yeah but mine wont be back for another few atleast

Skullfudge 27-11-2009 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratboy (Post 29253)
Interesting......yep,understand what you mean about the map order.
If theres one thing ive learnt about these cars,its that the fuel guage under reads the amount of fuel.....according to my book the guages arnt 'linier' and states that empty is around quater full,quarter is half and so on.
I can well believe this because in my old WRX that had the old 50L tank,it stayed on full on the guage for ages,then dropped.
Also even when it was on less than empty i could never fit more than 40 L in the tank.
But as you say,if you do the map order correctly,it should be no probs.
Does it run a little rich if there is more than meth dregs left of V power map?
Have you got some spec on your car on here (ie projects thread)
Mines a built lump too and would be interested in what you've done.
Cheers dude.....:mrgreen:


No running rich issues Rat. The M800 takes care of that.


I'll cut a long story short and this is the full spec list from start to current (in order).


RCM 400 fitting kit
Hybrid Garret RCM400 TURBO
Turbo 90 degree fitting kit
Vaccum Hose
Turbo Oil drain hose
Turbo hose pinch clip
Turbo water drain hose
Turbo downpipe gasket
SX fuel Pressure regulator
SX FPR fitting kit
Uprated fuel pump
850cc Fuel Injectors
R.C.M. 3 inch Stainless Steel Open Neck Downpipe
R.C.M. 3 inch Stainless Steel Centre Exhaust section
R.C.M. 3 inch Stainless Steel Rear Silencer
R.C.M. Air Induction System
Exhaust fitting kit
RCM Exhaust Manifold
3 inch Exhaust Gasket x 2
RCM 76mm Induction Pipe
Inlet Hose
Manifold fitting kit
RCM Oil catch tank
RCM Oil catch tank fitting kit
RCM Air Induction kit
Bosch Fuel Filter
Samco Hoses
3 Port Boost control solenoid
Uprated spark plugs
Lambda Sensor
Hose finisher Red
Half Moon Seal
Subaru Crank assembly
Crankshaft & Flywheel balance
Uprated Thermostat
RCM Lightweight Flywheel
AP Racing Clutch kit
Smooth Idler
Water Pump Assembly
Toothed Idler
Timing Belt Tensioner bracker
Tensioner seal
Tensioner Pulley
Head ream 14mm
RCM Titanium Retainers
Bucket shims
Inner timing belt cover LH
Inner Cambelt cover RH
RCM Vernier Timing Belt Pullys
Timing Belt
Time Belt Tensioner
RCM Manifold
Manifild fitting kit
Rocker Cover Gasket LH
Rocker Cover Gasket RH
Spark Plug Gasket
RCM Alloy Pulley kit
Sti Engine Mount RH
STi Engine Mount LH
Modified Gearbox mount
Saddle & Tie set
Locking Wheelnut set
Castrol Syntrax
BOA90LS Rear Diff Oil
Front Number Plate
RCM Fuel rail kit
Fog Lamp cover LH
Fog Lamp cover RH
P1 Fog light stickers
P1 Fog light stickers (Subaru)
Fog Lamp Paint (Sonic Blue)
Battery
Battery clamp rods
Battery clamp nuts
RCM Battery Clamp
Subaru AC Compressor Exchange
RCM 80mm Induction Trumpet
K & N Filter assembly
Hose clamps
Closed Deck Block Assembly
WRC 14/12mm head stud kit
WCR 14mm stud conversion
Hone bore clearance
Block Face skim
14mm head dowels
Engine Gaskit kit
ACL Race main bearing
Subaru Version 9 big end bearing set
Big Wing Sump
Big wing sump modification
RCM modified Oil Pump
Double valve spring kit
Double valve spring spacers
Nitrided Version 9 Crankcase assembly
Half moon seal
RCM Omega forged high compression pistons
Piston Ring set
RCM upgraded H section conrod
Turbo downpipe gasket
RCM modified Oil pump
Cylinder head assembly RHS
Cylinder head assembly LHS
RCM Port & Polish
RCM WRC Nimonic exhaust valves
RCM WRC Inlet valve
Inlet manifold gasket
RCM thermal spacer
Oil cooler modine
Oil filter
Sump Washer
Version 9 Subaru big end bearing set
RCM 5 Speed flywheel
AP Racing clutch kit
Defi Oil Temperature Gauge 60mm (white)
Defi Oil Pressure gauge 60mm (white)
Defi Turbo Boost gauge 60mm (white)
RCM gauge pod
Defi control unit 2
Block Adaptor
Motec cable
Motec M800 ECU
Motec Single Lambda support
Motec Lambda Adaptor
Motec Lambda Loom
Motec Bosch Lambda Sensor
Motec 4 bar map sensor
Motec Air Temperature sensor plug
Motec Temperature sensor
Motec Antilag Feature
Motec Can Adaptor
Mapping session for large project
Motec Anti Lag toggle switch
APS 725(R series) Front Mounted Intercooler
Intercooler mounting bobbin
Intercooler pipework polish
Bumper Beam reinforcement
Bumper Beam Powder coat
Subaru Radiator Assembly
Sti Rad Cap
Radiator Hose Clamp
Samco Top & Bottom Rad hose kit
Radiator bracket (LH)
RCM cool panel guide
Radiator Bracket Powder Coat
Radiator Top Mount Rubbers
Radiator bleed pipe
Twin Fan Pack (2nd hand)
Carbon Inner Wing panel
Alloy Oil Filter neck
Splitter removed and resprayed
Front bumper removed and resprayed / realigned
Bespoke brackets made and fitted / extra support for splitter
Intercooler adjusted to align with front bumper
Mesh fitted as protection to fm inter cooler
Powder coated in black
Rear bumper realigned
AP Racing 6 pot (red) front kit 355mm/32
AP Racing 4 pot (red) rear kit 310mm/28
Snare Washers
EXE-TC Suspension Kit
Sti Front Top Mounts
Sti Rear Top Mounts
M8 Cap Head
M8 Washers
6 Speed Gear box installed
OS Giken Triple Plated Clutch installed
RCM Hydraulic Clutch Kit
Clutch Balance
6 Speed Gear Knob
Gearbox Drain Washer
APR Flywheel Belt kit
Rear Diff Assembly
Rear Diff Oil Seals
Drainback kit
Downpipe Gasket
3" Exhaust Gasket
Castrol Syntax Oil
Silkolene Pro S engine oil
Propshaft spacers
RCM Twisted Turbo Kit
44mm V Band Tial Waistgate
Garret GT30-37 - 0.82
Ceramic Coated Manifold & Up Pipe
Ceramic Coated Turbo Housing
Ceramic Coated Twisted Turbo down pipe
Wingbox Assembly
RCM Injector Kit
RCM Compressor Collar
RCM Air injector collar weld
Twisted Turbo Oil & Water kit
Dash 8 compressor fitting
Dash 8 straight
Dash 8 finisher
Dash 8 Aeroquip Hose
Hose clip set
Male / Male Dash 4
100mm Induction hose
K & N Induction Filter
100mm Spun Trumpet
S/S hose clamp
S/S hose clamp
Silicone Hose
Male / Male Dash 4
Dash 4 90 degree fitting Alloy
Turbo Drain Gasket
Dash 4 90 degree fitting S/S
Dash 4 Swept Fitting
Dash 4 straight steel
Samco Intercooler Hose
Samco Intercooler Hose
RCM Header Tank Bracket
Seat Frame Bolt
NGK Racing Spark Plugs
Male to male M14x1.5 Dash 8
Dowety seal
Motec Lambda Sensor
Male male
Male male
Dash 6 straight
Pipework Polish
Stainless Steel pipework
Bosch Motorsport 10 bar pump
RCM Sti Anti Surge Kit
Copper Washer
45 degree dash 8 fitting
Dash 6 Aero Quip
Saddle
Tie
Hose Clip
Workshop Sundries
Shell V Power fuel
ATF Power Steering Fluid
Motec Mapping Session
Battery Cover
Water Bottle & 2 pumps
Header Tank (80cc)
Remote Power Steering Resevior / 2 Goodrich Fittings
Oil Cap
Brake Cap
Clutch Cap
Replaced all M6 x 20mm bolts with s/steel ones.
Replaced rear light clusters with non orange lenses
Replaced front indicators (complete)
New Tein Bonnet dampers sprayed Sonic Blue & fitted
Wheels blasted and re painted - lacquered.

and a partridge in a pear tree :)

Ratboy 27-11-2009 08:06 PM

Well as you say,winter is the damage time for body parts,at least your avoiding that.
Think my request to JGM is going to be a first for him........''can you make it as least powerfull as possible please Simon''?:angst:

Ratboy 27-11-2009 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skullfudge (Post 29269)
No running rich issues Rat. The M800 takes care of that.


I'll cut a long story short and this is the full spec list from start to current (in order).


RCM 400 fitting kit
Hybrid Garret RCM400 TURBO
Turbo 90 degree fitting kit
Vaccum Hose
Turbo Oil drain hose
Turbo hose pinch clip
Turbo water drain hose
Turbo downpipe gasket
SX fuel Pressure regulator
SX FPR fitting kit
Uprated fuel pump
850cc Fuel Injectors
R.C.M. 3 inch Stainless Steel Open Neck Downpipe
R.C.M. 3 inch Stainless Steel Centre Exhaust section
R.C.M. 3 inch Stainless Steel Rear Silencer
R.C.M. Air Induction System
Exhaust fitting kit
RCM Exhaust Manifold
3 inch Exhaust Gasket x 2
RCM 76mm Induction Pipe
Inlet Hose
Manifold fitting kit
RCM Oil catch tank
RCM Oil catch tank fitting kit
RCM Air Induction kit
Bosch Fuel Filter
Samco Hoses
3 Port Boost control solenoid
Uprated spark plugs
Lambda Sensor
Hose finisher Red
Half Moon Seal
Subaru Crank assembly
Crankshaft & Flywheel balance
Uprated Thermostat
RCM Lightweight Flywheel
AP Racing Clutch kit
Smooth Idler
Water Pump Assembly
Toothed Idler
Timing Belt Tensioner bracker
Tensioner seal
Tensioner Pulley
Head ream 14mm
RCM Titanium Retainers
Bucket shims
Inner timing belt cover LH
Inner Cambelt cover RH
RCM Vernier Timing Belt Pullys
Timing Belt
Time Belt Tensioner
RCM Manifold
Manifild fitting kit
Rocker Cover Gasket LH
Rocker Cover Gasket RH
Spark Plug Gasket
RCM Alloy Pulley kit
Sti Engine Mount RH
STi Engine Mount LH
Modified Gearbox mount
Saddle & Tie set
Locking Wheelnut set
Castrol Syntrax
BOA90LS Rear Diff Oil
Front Number Plate
RCM Fuel rail kit
Fog Lamp cover LH
Fog Lamp cover RH
P1 Fog light stickers
P1 Fog light stickers (Subaru)
Fog Lamp Paint (Sonic Blue)
Battery
Battery clamp rods
Battery clamp nuts
RCM Battery Clamp
Subaru AC Compressor Exchange
RCM 80mm Induction Trumpet
K & N Filter assembly
Hose clamps
Closed Deck Block Assembly
WRC 14/12mm head stud kit
WCR 14mm stud conversion
Hone bore clearance
Block Face skim
14mm head dowels
Engine Gaskit kit
ACL Race main bearing
Subaru Version 9 big end bearing set
Big Wing Sump
Big wing sump modification
RCM modified Oil Pump
Double valve spring kit
Double valve spring spacers
Nitrided Version 9 Crankcase assembly
Half moon seal
RCM Omega forged high compression pistons
Piston Ring set
RCM upgraded H section conrod
Turbo downpipe gasket
RCM modified Oil pump
Cylinder head assembly RHS
Cylinder head assembly LHS
RCM Port & Polish
RCM WRC Nimonic exhaust valves
RCM WRC Inlet valve
Inlet manifold gasket
RCM thermal spacer
Oil cooler modine
Oil filter
Sump Washer
Version 9 Subaru big end bearing set
RCM 5 Speed flywheel
AP Racing clutch kit
Defi Oil Temperature Gauge 60mm (white)
Defi Oil Pressure gauge 60mm (white)
Defi Turbo Boost gauge 60mm (white)
RCM gauge pod
Defi control unit 2
Block Adaptor
Motec cable
Motec M800 ECU
Motec Single Lambda support
Motec Lambda Adaptor
Motec Lambda Loom
Motec Bosch Lambda Sensor
Motec 4 bar map sensor
Motec Air Temperature sensor plug
Motec Temperature sensor
Motec Antilag Feature
Motec Can Adaptor
Mapping session for large project
Motec Anti Lag toggle switch
APS 725(R series) Front Mounted Intercooler
Intercooler mounting bobbin
Intercooler pipework polish
Bumper Beam reinforcement
Bumper Beam Powder coat
Subaru Radiator Assembly
Sti Rad Cap
Radiator Hose Clamp
Samco Top & Bottom Rad hose kit
Radiator bracket (LH)
RCM cool panel guide
Radiator Bracket Powder Coat
Radiator Top Mount Rubbers
Radiator bleed pipe
Twin Fan Pack (2nd hand)
Carbon Inner Wing panel
Alloy Oil Filter neck
Splitter removed and resprayed
Front bumper removed and resprayed / realigned
Bespoke brackets made and fitted / extra support for splitter
Intercooler adjusted to align with front bumper
Mesh fitted as protection to fm inter cooler
Powder coated in black
Rear bumper realigned
AP Racing 6 pot (red) front kit 355mm/32
AP Racing 4 pot (red) rear kit 310mm/28
Snare Washers
EXE-TC Suspension Kit
Sti Front Top Mounts
Sti Rear Top Mounts
M8 Cap Head
M8 Washers
6 Speed Gear box installed
OS Giken Triple Plated Clutch installed
RCM Hydraulic Clutch Kit
Clutch Balance
6 Speed Gear Knob
Gearbox Drain Washer
APR Flywheel Belt kit
Rear Diff Assembly
Rear Diff Oil Seals
Drainback kit
Downpipe Gasket
3" Exhaust Gasket
Castrol Syntax Oil
Silkolene Pro S engine oil
Propshaft spacers
RCM Twisted Turbo Kit
44mm V Band Tial Waistgate
Garret GT30-37 - 0.82
Ceramic Coated Manifold & Up Pipe
Ceramic Coated Turbo Housing
Ceramic Coated Twisted Turbo down pipe
Wingbox Assembly
RCM Injector Kit
RCM Compressor Collar
RCM Air injector collar weld
Twisted Turbo Oil & Water kit
Dash 8 compressor fitting
Dash 8 straight
Dash 8 finisher
Dash 8 Aeroquip Hose
Hose clip set
Male / Male Dash 4
100mm Induction hose
K & N Induction Filter
100mm Spun Trumpet
S/S hose clamp
S/S hose clamp
Silicone Hose
Male / Male Dash 4
Dash 4 90 degree fitting Alloy
Turbo Drain Gasket
Dash 4 90 degree fitting S/S
Dash 4 Swept Fitting
Dash 4 straight steel
Samco Intercooler Hose
Samco Intercooler Hose
RCM Header Tank Bracket
Seat Frame Bolt
NGK Racing Spark Plugs
Male to male M14x1.5 Dash 8
Dowety seal
Motec Lambda Sensor
Male male
Male male
Dash 6 straight
Pipework Polish
Stainless Steel pipework
Bosch Motorsport 10 bar pump
RCM Sti Anti Surge Kit
Copper Washer
45 degree dash 8 fitting
Dash 6 Aero Quip
Saddle
Tie
Hose Clip
Workshop Sundries
Shell V Power fuel
ATF Power Steering Fluid
Motec Mapping Session
Battery Cover
Water Bottle & 2 pumps
Header Tank (80cc)
Remote Power Steering Resevior / 2 Goodrich Fittings
Oil Cap
Brake Cap
Clutch Cap
Replaced all M6 x 20mm bolts with s/steel ones.
Replaced rear light clusters with non orange lenses
Replaced front indicators (complete)
New Tein Bonnet dampers sprayed Sonic Blue & fitted
Wheels blasted and re painted - lacquered.

and a partridge in a pear tree :)

****ing Hell!!!!! :shock::shock::shock:
You didnt go at it half baked did ya?
What numbers your running mate?

Skullfudge 28-11-2009 10:23 AM

317 Bhp

C. J. 28-11-2009 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skullfudge (Post 29316)
317 Bhp

Confused

Scottie :) 28-11-2009 11:05 AM

Omg :)

Skullfudge 28-11-2009 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C. J. (Post 29318)
Confused


Kidding not sure yet but over 500


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