The problem is Ian, you are putting a negative point across, when everyone seems to be positive.

Instead of just slating the ideas we come up with, think about it and come up with an alternative one, as was asked right back at the beginning of this thread. If you really want to go off and do something else, come up with a plan and people may well want to do what you want. Simple as matey

Everyone is looking forward to having a good time down there and for a lot of us, that includes having a bloody good drink up. We know you can't drink, but we like a drink and we will be hitting the ale in style at some point. It is at the end of the day a holiday. And.... you can join in anytime you like....... you bleedin miserable old goat (minus a drink of course )

I'm gonna splash out on a feral cat for you I think, so you can give it a swift boot up the jacksie when you are having a bad day