2012 SES Nurburgring Trip - OFFICIAL THREAD

Originally Posted by Lazadude

Yep, Haven't heard a E92 V8, are they they actually audible or completely silences like the V6's were?

They make a beautiful sound. Not loud though on standard exhaust system, would love to hear one on a decent set of pipes

[Lazadude]

Originally Posted by Nige

They SCREEM & rev past 8k rpm
What V6?

Sorry, Meant Inline.

Swear there was a Straight 6 M3...?

[RobEvo5]

Originally Posted by Nige

You say your classic will spank you bro's Porker? Im sure Simon said it was more around the 550bhp mark.
Them V8 M3's change gear like a bike & will stay with most things around the 500bhp mark. Im really going to miss my Evo this time around. As far as im aware this will be the 1st year the Evo's missed since 2006.
Never mind i can wave as you come past or just get in the way

My classic is very quick knocking close to 500bhp. But the porker is 440 at the wheels (RWD) and weighs even less than my classic, and is KIN quick. But has no power steering, No ABS, no traction control, and a 1980's chassis albiet with a few tweaks so its Handfull to say the least.

The guys in the V8 m3's originally had E46 M3's which as we all know are very capable cars, but the V8 E92's are a signficant leap forward again. I was often literally left for dust last year when I had my Z4 3.0 (240bhp).

So should be fun playing this year. Difference will be I will staring at my gauges, and worrying everytime I press the loud peddle about something going bang/pop/falling off with my Blue bits under the bonnet. But the M3's will just take what ever you can throw at them, and just wan't more, and travel in comfort during it all.

[Lazadude]

I have a feeling, the Autobahn is going to be fun in places

Originally Posted by Lazadude

Sorry, Meant Inline.

Swear there was a Straight 6 M3...?

There was mate E36 & E46 were straight 6's. Why they missed out on E56 66 76 & 86 i dont know? We are now at E90's

[Lazadude]

I've never understood the German naming conventions, Like why they miss out numbers, or dont follow a pattern. I'm sure there is some Logic to it, but I cant see it..

Look at EXX for Beamers, or the 99X numbers for Porsches..

[Anger]

Originally Posted by Nige

You say your classic will spank you bro's Porker? Im sure Simon said it was more around the 550bhp mark.
Them V8 M3's change gear like a bike & will stay with most things around the 500bhp mark. Im really going to miss my Evo this time around. As far as im aware this will be the 1st year the Evo's missed since 2006.
Never mind i can wave as you come past or just get in the way

Tell that to the white one tailgating me on the M23.... He was a small object very fast in my rear view

[RobEvo5]

Originally Posted by Lazadude

I've never understood the German naming conventions, Like why they miss out numbers, or dont follow a pattern. I'm sure there is some Logic to it, but I cant see it..

Look at EXX for Beamers, or the 99X numbers for Porsches..

Porsche deratatives is whats gets me, and always an endless source for me to wind up my brother To me they are all just 911's. But its a bit like calling a bog standard UK classic and a 22b .....a Scooby.

Autobahn should be fun, but I'll probably only be having the odd squirt, prolonged power runs have always ended in disaster for me. I'm Looking forward to the drive down and back and good company and a few pints and another tick off my bucket list more than the ring itself if i'm honest.

Can't wait bring it on...

Originally Posted by RobEvo5

I'm Looking forward to the drive down and back and good company and a few pints and another tick off my bucket list more than the ring itself if i'm honest.

Can't wait bring it on...

Rob, that's exactly what it's all about mate! It's a cracking weekend!

Like James says "there's beer and food, apparently also a track"

[BIG"E"]

4 WEEKS TODAY !!!!




At this time we will be at the garage on the M20 .

:worzel::granby::crowman::crowman: :rally: :rally:

Can't wait , going to be awsome

Counting the days

Originally Posted by BIG"E"

4 WEEKS TODAY !!!!




At this time we will be at the garage on the M20 .

:worzel::granby::crowman::crowman: :rally: :rally:

Ha! Ha! I like how you put yourself at the front mate. That might not last long with all that bhp behind you. Mr pieman can I have a Hawkeye mini me now please as I've broken the other one.:mod:

[Hongkongfooi]

Originally Posted by Nige

Ha! Ha! I like how you put yourself at the front mate. That might not last long with all that bhp behind you. Mr pieman can I have a Hawkeye mini me now please as I've broken the other one.:mod:

i need one of my car also

Originally Posted by Hongkongfooi

i need one of my car also

Shhh I'm 1st. Anyway yours is just another blue Scoob fooking loads of them

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Nige

Ha! Ha! I like how you put yourself at the front mate. That might not last long with all that bhp behind you.

Well I normally am


Its almost traditional now with the old boy up front

[Anger]

At the mo I just can't see my car being finished in time

Looks like the barge will be going

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Anger

At the mo I just can't see my car being finished in time

Looks like the barge will be going

Could we have a meet at yours and all muck in?

I make a good cup of tea.

[Anger]

It's more the money needed mate, still need to pay a few people's monies for bits and work done so far

That's a gutter mate! You said that last year though and just about did it.

The barge would be a comfy drive down though and would be no slouch on the autobahn

[ajf]

We can always go with plan b again

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by ajf

We can always go with plan b again

The 22B ?

[Skullfudge]

I never underestimate Porsches or BM's.

There are plenty that are rapid.

[Kerstin]

Originally Posted by Nige

There was mate E36 & E46 were straight 6's. Why they missed out on E56 66 76 & 86 i dont know? We are now at E90's

Originally Posted by Lazadude

I've never understood the German naming conventions, Like why they miss out numbers, or dont follow a pattern. I'm sure there is some Logic to it, but I cant see it..

Look at EXX for Beamers, or the 99X numbers for Porsches..

I feel a bit guilty because I'm German and I can't help you on this. I haven't got much technical understanding. I only LOVE Impreza's and that's nearly it. But we have a member on the WOC, Lee_1075, who is English but lives in Germany. I'm sure he can help you lot a bit. If a member from here who is also a member of the WOC contacts him, I'm sure he will be more than happy to try to explain it to you. Or you can tell me what you would like to know and I'll ask him.

[Kerstin]

Originally Posted by RobEvo5

Porsche deratatives is whats gets me, and always an endless source for me to wind up my brother To me they are all just 911's. But its a bit like calling a bog standard UK classic and a 22b .....a Scooby.

Autobahn should be fun, but I'll probably only be having the odd squirt, prolonged power runs have always ended in disaster for me. I'm Looking forward to the drive down and back and good company and a few pints and another tick off my bucket list more than the ring itself if i'm honest.

Can't wait bring it on...

As for the Autobahn, Rob, I have written it somewhere here already but I'm not sure everybody read it and I certainly don't want to spoil your fun, guys. I love these unlimited areas, too. But you should possilby always keep in mind that, if you're doing more than 130 km/h in these areas and get involved in an accident, even if you didn't cause it (say, some idiot pulls out too close in front of you), you will be made partly guilty as well.

The same goes for alcohol. I don't know how it works in Britain, but if you had just one beer here, which is of course under the allowed limit of 0.5%, and get involved in an accident that you haven't caused, you will be made partly guilty, too.

Again, I hope you don't think I'm a spoilsport, I do wish you lot as much fun as possible over here. But I know that a lot of people are not aware of this.

[BIG"E"]

Thank you for the advise Kerstin.

But to clear things up.

On a unrestricted road we can go as fast as we like,

provided you do not have an accident.

[Kerstin]

Originally Posted by BIG"E"

Thank you for the advise Kerstin.

But to clear things up.

On a unrestricted road we can go as fast as we like,

provided you do not have an accident.

Yup, that's what it is about, Ian. The most important thing to know is that it is the accidents that are not caused by you that could get you in a trouble that you haven't thought about before.

[Kerstin]

Possibly best way to Auderath: Not sure which way you normally go when you come over. But my brother (he is a long-distance lorry driver and basically lives on the motorways in Belgium, France and Germany) just told me it might be best to go on the E40 to Aachen, then on the A4 towards Köln, at junction 9 on the A61 towards Koblenz and at junction 34 via B262 to the A48 towards Trier and Auderath. He said the other route is filled with loads of road works and one lane traffic. On the route I've just described there are also about two road works but by far not as many as on the other route. Just a hint.

We need to talk about the route there this year. As Kerstin has mentioned her brother is always in the Belgium area he is going to know best. Just a suggestion use the brothers knowledge.

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by Anger

At the mo I just can't see my car being finished in time

Looks like the barge will be going

What "is needed " to get it going ?
Not including tarting bits

Originally Posted by Kerstin

I feel a bit guilty because I'm German and I can't help you on this. I haven't got much technical understanding. I only LOVE Impreza's and that's nearly it. But we have a member on the WOC, Lee_1075, who is English but lives in Germany. I'm sure he can help you lot a bit. If a member from here who is also a member of the WOC contacts him, I'm sure he will be more than happy to try to explain it to you. Or you can tell me what you would like to know and I'll ask him.

Don't feel guilty Kerstin. Your German ( some might say the best cars on the planet are built there) & drive Jap Mmmmm maybe you should feel some guilt.

[Anger]

Originally Posted by C. J.

What "is needed " to get it going ?
Not including tarting bits

Engine bay needs a clear up and mapping

Want to finish the rest really.... Yes I'm a TART

[Kerstin]

Originally Posted by Nige

We need to talk about the route there this year. As Kerstin has mentioned her brother is always in the Belgium area he is going to know best. Just a suggestion use the brothers knowledge.

At least you would have some more fun, Nige.

Originally Posted by Nige

Don't feel guilty Kerstin. Your German ( some might say the best cars on the planet are built there) & drive Jap Mmmmm maybe you should feel some guilt.

Never ever I will feel guilty for this. Germans never managed to build such a pretty car like the Impreza.

[Kerstin]

Another hint: Mind the gap. The German police has found another hobby: measuring the space between the cars on the motorway. So better make sure you leave enough space. It can be up to €400 depending on how small the gap is you leave.

[Anger]

Originally Posted by Kerstin

Another hint: Mind the gap. The German police has found another hobby: measuring the space between the cars on the motorway. So better make sure you leave enough space. It can be up to €400 depending on how small the gap is you leave.

Calling Big E

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by Anger

Engine bay needs a clear up and mapping

Want to finish the rest really.... Yes I'm a TART

Well stop being a tart get it mapped ,take it to Germany and sort out later . It's for driving not looking at !

[Anger]

Haha I know.... Just need to talk to Si

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by Anger

Haha I know.... Just need to talk to Si

Well text him and get it sorted & enjoy it

[Anger]

Mapping booked

[C. J.]

Good

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Anger

Calling Big E

Yes I am here.

[RobEvo5]

Originally Posted by Kerstin

As for the Autobahn, Rob, I have written it somewhere here already but I'm not sure everybody read it and I certainly don't want to spoil your fun, guys. I love these unlimited areas, too. But you should possilby always keep in mind that, if you're doing more than 130 km/h in these areas and get involved in an accident, even if you didn't cause it (say, some idiot pulls out too close in front of you), you will be made partly guilty as well.

The same goes for alcohol. I don't know how it works in Britain, but if you had just one beer here, which is of course under the allowed limit of 0.5%, and get involved in an accident that you haven't caused, you will be made partly guilty, too.

Again, I hope you don't think I'm a spoilsport, I do wish you lot as much fun as possible over here. But I know that a lot of people are not aware of this.

Thanks for the heads up Kerstin. Our group have had some bad luck and expensive costs, last year and year before in France so will probably try and save most of it for the track. I get the feeling the porsche and M3 drivers are going to have to be very disciplined to not get provoked into the moment

We are ring Virgin's and have never been and don't even know where we are going to get there, or even have any experience of the track, so will likley be letting the ring veterens take lead....

[QUOTE
We are ring Virgin's and have never been and don't even know where we are going to get there, or even have any experience of the track, so will likley be letting the ring veterens take lead....[/QUOTE]

LETTING!!! Bloody LETTING!!! Us take the lead Mmmmm I'm looking forward to this................
Oh! I forgot I'm not in the Evo. Ok mate you go 1st

[Kerstin]

Originally Posted by RobEvo5

Thanks for the heads up Kerstin. Our group have had some bad luck and expensive costs, last year and year before in France so will probably try and save most of it for the track. I get the feeling the porsche and M3 drivers are going to have to be very disciplined to not get provoked into the moment

We are ring Virgin's and have never been and don't even know where we are going to get there, or even have any experience of the track, so will likley be letting the ring veterens take lead....

I seriously hope that I haven't spoiled the fun for you guys, Rob. I just wanted you lot to be aware of the possible consequences. I don't think the Porsche and M3 drivers etc. will be more disciplined than usual, as I told you they all love the unrestricted sections. Just keep the facts in mind and have fun. I only didn't want you lot finding yourselves in a trouble that you would have never expected. I know that not even every German is aware of all that. I'm sure you'll be fine following the Ring veterans and I'm also totally sure you willl enjoy this trip no end.

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Kerstin

I only didn't want you lot finding yourselves in a trouble that you would have never expected. I know that not even every German is aware of all that.

Of cause Kerstin, you have always been very careful not to a have a little chat with the boys in Blue, havent you.

[Kerstin]

Originally Posted by BIG"E"

Of cause Kerstin, you have always been very careful not to a have a little chat with the boys in Blue, havent you.

No, Ian, I don't talk to them to much. I prefer letters of surprise, well, it wasn't really a surprise, was it?

[RobEvo5]

Originally Posted by Nige

LETTING!!! Bloody LETTING!!! Us take the lead Mmmmm I'm looking forward to this................
Oh! I forgot I'm not in the Evo. Ok mate you go 1st

lol - You spotted that little play of words then .... Your very competative Nige !

Don't underestimate that Hawk of yours, if might not be as quick in the twisties as your ex Evo/Tree, But I reckon the scoob will serve you very well and certainly isn't slow. Having had a E46 M3 that hawk would be very closely matched.

But to throw some stats:

E46 M3 power to weight of 216bhp/tonne.
Hawk STI running 350bhp = power to weight of 245bhp/tonne
The E92's have a power to weight of 250bhp/tonne.
Classic circa 450bhp has power to weight of around 350bhp/tonne.
classic 911 turbo 550bhp power to weight of around 480bhp/tonne.

As I've always maintained BHP is great, but after a point, it's all about how much bottle/skill the driver has. I have no illusion that I will be properly spanked by many French cars running half my power on the ring.

On paper the E92 isn't that quick compared to a modified scoob... But I've never taken much notice of paper power of figures, as a road car its about the whole experience..

Me competitive your dead right I am. Car or bike don't matter to me. I'm a dick when it comes to stuff like that I can't help it. I will be on my very best behaviour this trip as the Scoob must come back.

[BIG"E"]

Kerstin,

Is this the route ??

Distance: 291.8 miles (show in km)
Time: 4 hr 45 min
0.0
Start: Head southeast on Rue du Président Wilson toward Rue de la Marine
0.1
Turn left to stay on Rue du Président Wilson
0.1
Turn left onto Bd Alexandre III
0.3
Turn right onto Pl. Jean Bart
0.3
Continue onto Bd Sainte-Barbe
0.8
Turn right onto Av. du Stade
Go through 1 roundabout
1.1
Continue onto Av. de la Libération/D635
Continue to follow D635
1.9
Keep left at the fork, follow signs for A16/E40/Ostende/Bruges/Bray-Dunes/Furnes/Veurne/Téteghem and merge onto A16/E40
Entering Belgium
9.9
Continue onto E40
92.5
Take exit 11-17-Groot-Bijgaarden for E40/E19 toward E411/Namen/Luik/Antwerpen/Luchthaven Zaventem
93.3
Merge onto E19
93.9
Continue onto E40
101.4
Slight left to stay on E40
104.3
Slight right to stay on E40 (signs for Luik/Leuven/Brussel)
183.0
Take exit 39-Aachen-Süd for N68 toward Hauset
183.3
Turn right onto Aachener Strasse/N68
Entering Germany
184.8
Continue onto Eupener Straße/B57
Continue to follow B57
188.3
Turn left onto Hackländerstraße
188.4
Slight right onto Vereinsstraße
188.5
Turn right onto Römerstraße/B1/B264
188.6
Turn left onto Kurbrunnenstraße/B1/B264/B57
Continue to follow B1/B264
188.9
Turn right onto Augustastraße
Destination will be on the right
189.2
Arrive at Aachen, Germany
Section time: 3:02, Total time: 3:02
189.2
Start: Head east on Augustastraße
189.2
Take the 1st right to stay on Augustastraße
189.2
Turn left onto Kongressstraße
189.3
Continue onto Aretzstraße
189.6
Turn right onto Blücherplatz
189.8
At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto A544
193.6
Merge onto A4
217.2
Take exit 9-Kreuz Kerpen to merge onto A61 toward Koblenz
228.0
Slight left to stay on A61
264.8
Take exit 34-Mendig toward Mayen/Maria Laach
264.9
Turn left onto B262
270.0
Slight right onto the ramp to Trier Koblenz/Münstermaifeld/Mayen-Süd-zentrum/Mayen-Süd-Alzheim/A48
270.1
Keep left at the fork and merge onto B262
272.4
Merge onto A48 via the ramp to Trier
288.7
Take exit 2-Ulmen toward B259
288.9
Turn left onto B257
289.2
Continue onto B259
291.2
Turn right onto L102
291.7
Turn left onto Kirchstraße
291.7
Turn left onto Brunnenstraße
291.8
Take the 1st right onto Talstraße
Destination will be on the right
291.8
Arrive at Auderath, Germany
Section time: 1:43, Total time: 4:45
:worzel::scoob::scoob: :granby: :worzel: :crowman:

[Kerstin]

It's the bit I marked red that is a bit strange, Nige, as it guides you along a lot of country roads through the Eiffel.


Distance: 291.8 miles (show in km)
Time: 4 hr 45 min
0.0
Start: Head southeast on Rue du Président Wilson toward Rue de la Marine
0.1
Turn left to stay on Rue du Président Wilson
0.1
Turn left onto Bd Alexandre III
0.3
Turn right onto Pl. Jean Bart
0.3
Continue onto Bd Sainte-Barbe
0.8
Turn right onto Av. du Stade
Go through 1 roundabout
1.1
Continue onto Av. de la Libération/D635
Continue to follow D635
1.9
Keep left at the fork, follow signs for A16/E40/Ostende/Bruges/Bray-Dunes/Furnes/Veurne/Téteghem and merge onto A16/E40
Entering Belgium
9.9
Continue onto E40
92.5
Take exit 11-17-Groot-Bijgaarden for E40/E19 toward E411/Namen/Luik/Antwerpen/Luchthaven Zaventem
93.3
Merge onto E19
93.9
Continue onto E40
101.4
Slight left to stay on E40
104.3
Slight right to stay on E40 (signs for Luik/Leuven/Brussel)
183.0
Take exit 39-Aachen-Süd for N68 toward Hauset
183.3
Turn right onto Aachener Strasse/N68
Entering Germany
184.8
Continue onto Eupener Straße/B57
Continue to follow B57
188.3
Turn left onto Hackländerstraße
188.4
Slight right onto Vereinsstraße
188.5
Turn right onto Römerstraße/B1/B264
188.6
Turn left onto Kurbrunnenstraße/B1/B264/B57
Continue to follow B1/B264
188.9
Turn right onto Augustastraße
Destination will be on the right
189.2
Arrive at Aachen, Germany
Section time: 3:02, Total time: 3:02
189.2
Start: Head east on Augustastraße
189.2
Take the 1st right to stay on Augustastraße
189.2
Turn left onto Kongressstraße
189.3
Continue onto Aretzstraße
189.6
Turn right onto Blücherplatz
189.8
At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto A544
193.6
Merge onto A4
217.2
Take exit 9-Kreuz Kerpen to merge onto A61 toward Koblenz
228.0
Slight left to stay on A61
264.8
Take exit 34-Mendig toward Mayen/Maria Laach
264.9
Turn left onto B262
270.0
Slight right onto the ramp to Trier Koblenz/Münstermaifeld/Mayen-Süd-zentrum/Mayen-Süd-Alzheim/A48
270.1
Keep left at the fork and merge onto B262
272.4
Merge onto A48 via the ramp to Trier
288.7
Take exit 2-Ulmen toward B259
288.9
Turn left onto B257
289.2
Continue onto B259
291.2
Turn right onto L102
291.7
Turn left onto Kirchstraße
291.7
Turn left onto Brunnenstraße
291.8
Take the 1st right onto Talstraße
Destination will be on the right
291.8
Arrive at Auderath, Germany




I've replaced it as follows:

continue on E40 (signs for Köln)

take exit 4 (Kreuz Aachen) to stay on E40 and continue following signs for Köln

(see my next post as well)