FMIC/OC fitting The stealth look! - Ginola's Project thread

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by NL03Scooby

Looks like some pleasing results then, when you can claim it 'pulls harder for longer' I think that says it all for a positive result, good stuff.

Getting it out on track will be the real tell tale sign now.

2 and a bit weeks till then

Its always good to pull harder for longer indeed

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by Ginola

2 and a bit weeks till then

Its always good to pull harder for longer indeed

Two & a half weeks and can't wait

[Ginola]

Small update since our return from Spa, and new engine fitted I attempted to buy some
Alcon 365mm Calipers and discs today only to find out that they dont quite fit under my current wheels (don't think they will fit under either of my sets )

So now have some decision making to do on that front, as not sure what the best step forward is.. currently looking at lots of wheels!

I also had the map re-tweeked today after a dyno pull last Saturday revealed the car was running a little bit rich and was down a little bit on power from where we had expected it to be. We had originally mapped with a bit of leak on the IC pipework and with the knowledge that engine was an unknown on its way to Spa a week after fitting had been done on the safe side. (385bhp/320lb/ft at 1.45 bar and 10.8's on the AFR)

Hats of to Richard at FB Tuning who assisted me with fitting a few bits and then re-tweeked the fuelling, turned the boost up just a smidge and told me there was room for a little more!.. As I did not manage to fit any brakes today I had time to dive in on Charlie at Surrey Rolling road for a quick power run to see how much difference the little tweek had made..

Quite happy with the results

440/380 @1.6bar will do nicely

[Rdlangy1]

Wow!!

Amazing result Dave - u must be well chuffed

[C. J.]

Good stuff , I'm sure you fitted some yellow bits today to

[scotty]

Good luck in finding a set of nice wheels to fit over the Alcons as we all know thats a fecking minefield like

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by C. J.

Good stuff , I'm sure you fitted some yellow bits today to

I did!!!

I also fitted some whiteline rear diff cradle bushes!! Thank you C.J.!! x

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by Ginola

I did!!!

I also fitted some whiteline rear diff cradle bushes!! Thank you C.J.!! x

Best to keep it up to date

[NL03Scooby]

Shame about the Alcons but I am sure your will find a solution one way or another.

Some really good results from that JDM lump and glad to hear everything should have been ironed out to make it both reliable and 'pokey'! I wonder if running at 440 makes you a little on the nervous side for your longevity...?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by NL03Scooby

Shame about the Alcons but I am sure your will find a solution one way or another.

Some really good results from that JDM lump and glad to hear everything should have been ironed out to make it both reliable and 'pokey'! I wonder if running at 440 makes you a little on the nervous side for your longevity...?

Not on a JDM block stronger than uk block .

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by NL03Scooby

Shame about the Alcons but I am sure your will find a solution one way or another.

Some really good results from that JDM lump and glad to hear everything should have been ironed out to make it both reliable and 'pokey'! I wonder if running at 440 makes you a little on the nervous side for your longevity...?

Originally Posted by scotty

Not on a JDM block stronger than uk block .

Blocks are the same internals slightly different, pistons and cams/heads

There are plenty of folk running standard UK 2.0 north of 450

[NL03Scooby]

No denying the JDM block can take a lot, and that UK lumps are running plenty too, but I know Dave is a man who, despite all his track time, likes his engine to be well within its limits and running as sweet as a nut.

[Banstead Stig]

440 should make for a cracking car.

Much more and it would be utterly pointless on the road in my opinion as you'd never really get to stretch its legs.

I'm not massively superstitious, but I'm not sure I'd have tinkered with my car on Friday 13th!!

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by Banstead Stig

440 should make for a cracking car.

Much more and it would be utterly pointless on the road in my opinion as you'd never really get to stretch its legs.

I'm not massively superstitious, but I'm not sure I'd have tinkered with my car on Friday 13th!!

Thats why the brakes didn't fit under my wheels!! Grrr!

It definitely shifts a little more urgently than before

Originally Posted by NL03Scooby

No denying the JDM block can take a lot, and that UK lumps are running plenty too, but I know Dave is a man who, despite all his track time, likes his engine to be well within its limits and running as sweet as a nut.

I do Rob!, its within safe limits at the mo, but I would not really want to push any more boost on the standard headbolts, defi's are reading 1.7 1.75bar

[555_Si]

Very nice.

[Bytes]

Great results Dave

[Bolesroor]

Very nice Dave, watched your recent Spa laps,car looked amazing BTW, I will have to book a passenger lap with you somewhere, sometime please and add to, my portfolio of great passenger laps,which currently includes 'E', PPP, drakesnow and scoobyslayer

[scooby doo]

Cracking result . Bet it drives awesome

[Ginola]

Cheers guys, It drives great now.

Any time Steve

[Anger]

Getter quickly buy the car before the brakes come off

[Ginola]

Hmm not sure what to do both sets of my wheels won't fit and Ricky didn't like the bbs's or speedlines. Though he offered to sell me some wheels!

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by Ginola

Could run bit more timing between 4500 - 5500rpm (the normal 'Det' hot spot), as the curve is drooping a touch.
It would sustain the torque plateau a bit better too, removing that torque spike.

[Ginola]

Yeah there is definitely scope to push the timing up there in the mid range, Rich had said as much also. He said 450 even 460 or beyond is possible at this boost level with a little more aggressive timing at the top also which was encouraging, definitely don't really want to push more boost on the standard gaskets and head bolts, although we tested at 1.75 and all was fine only dyno'd at 1.7

Fuelling is around 11.5 to 11.7

[Scott.T]

Boost creeping up at 5500 WOT is also worth a look at.
If that run was in 3rd or 4th on the Dyno the effect out on the road will be higher and for longer in 5th and 6th. So a potential hazard for track style driving where your clicking upto 120+ in the higher gears.

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by Scott.T

Boost creeping up at 5500 WOT is also worth a look at.
If that run was in 3rd or 4th on the Dyno the effect out on the road will be higher and for longer in 5th and 6th. So a potential hazard for track style driving where your clicking upto 120+ in the higher gears.

Yeah 4th on the dyno, not sure if it had something to do with the avcr still learning or being in learn mode in 4th and 5th, but quite often hit the top of 5th on track, it has always seemed to creep a little there

[Scott.T]

Your running an AVCR on an OEM ECU !!!!!! Shocking.........

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by Scott.T

Your running an AVCR on an OEM ECU !!!!!! Shocking.........

You knew this I'm not the only one!

[C. J.]

Syvecs coming soon

[Hongkongfooi]

great results matey and it was quick enough at 385

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by Ginola

You knew this I'm not the only one!

I don't recall......

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by Scott.T

I don't recall......

Think we chatted about it for a while over a breakfast last year in Battle

Standard ecu struggles to control boost past 1.5/ 1.6 bar as far as I am aware.

I remember you saying about 3d boost mapping was better on the standard ecu.

[Ginola]

5 mins with a spanner, for a quick addition..

[scotty]

Im trying to remember what wasnt there before but going have a guess bonnet dampers .

[NL03Scooby]

I'm not sure either... I obviously don't look in Dave's engine bay enough! I think it might be dampers too Scotty.

[Bytes]

Yep, those green things I reckon

[555_Si]

That's going to be .001 sec a lap slower now then.

[C. J.]

It'll save me time shutting your bonnet at meets

[Rdlangy1]

ha ha ha - looking smart
That car is an amazing machine...Love the sound... Credit to you Dave

[Ginola]

Small update again,

I have managed to lay my hands on something that makes the car stop a little better, after realising with recent increases to power that straight line speed down the straights on trackdays has gone up by a fair whack this seemed a prudent move.

I had a prompt from a friendly fellow trackday addict that these little numbers where coming up for sale so a deal was done!.. they are a bit of tight fit under 18's!

Please excuse the dirty wheel arches in the pics

[NL03Scooby]

That is a tight fit, sigh of relief when you got the wheels over I bet? Look the dogs though Dave and certainly suggests you are running a decent set up under the bonnet!

[Hongkongfooi]

you going to paint match the rears?

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by NL03Scooby

That is a tight fit, sigh of relief when you got the wheels over I bet? Look the dogs though Dave and certainly suggests you are running a decent set up under the bonnet!

Trying to keep it stealthy! indeed.. doesnt fit under both sets

Originally Posted by Hongkongfooi

you going to paint match the rears?

Handbrake said.. "don't bother" but I am tempted.. also tempted to get the rear kit.. if I win the lottery

Though I did take a quick look the other night to try and find some "alcon" coloured paint as the rears will need a refresh and rebuild at some point in the not too distant future.

[NL03Scooby]

Originally Posted by Ginola

Trying to keep it stealthy! indeed.. doesnt fit under both sets

That was going to be my next question... Shame, I guess the other wheels will have to be sold to return some funds?

The fact you have 'disfigured' your fog light covers only adds to that stealthy look, ha!

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by NL03Scooby

That was going to be my next question... Shame, I guess the other wheels will have to be sold to return some funds?

The fact you have 'disfigured' your fog light covers only adds to that stealthy look, ha!

I still have the originals for that extra stealthy look if the need arises!

Yes will have to pop them up for sale I guess.. I don't want too as really like those wheels! but needs must and so on. I've been trying to find suitable replacements.. must be super light.. must look awesome and not be tacky etc etc.. its not easy!

[scooby doo]

Now they are very nice.
Well done!

[Ginola]

Fitted Some new front pads today, Pagid RS29.. All im saying is... Holly crap what a difference! Super sharp bite and pedal response to gentle modulation, think I need some for the rear now!

Also bought some minor fueling bits and pieces to make a little improvement, watch this space.

[SpecB]

Sounds good, I really need to do something about my WRX rears!

[Rdlangy1]

Originally Posted by Ginola

Fitted Some new front pads today, Pagid RS29.. All im saying is... Holly crap what a difference! Super sharp bite and pedal response to gentle modulation, think I need some for the rear now!

Also bought some minor fueling bits and pieces to make a little improvement, watch this space.

Sounds good Dave - with your power you need decent brakes eh..

[NL03Scooby]

Originally Posted by Ginola

Fitted Some new front pads today, Pagid RS29.. All im saying is... Holly crap what a difference! Super sharp bite and pedal response to gentle modulation, think I need some for the rear now!

Also bought some minor fueling bits and pieces to make a little improvement, watch this space.

Glad a new set of pads made for a big improvement, I presume you were using the pads that came with those calipers when you bought them, any idea what they were?

look forward to hearing more about you fueling improvements, get some more 'go juice' flowing

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Ginola

Also bought some minor fueling bits and pieces to make a little improvement, watch this space.

Oh really wonder what colour they are

[scotty]

[Rdlangy1]

[Ginola]

Bit of an update,

After finding out I needed a new OS CV joint on Thursday right before our ring trip.. I went into mad panic and frantically sourced not 1 but 2!, making a quick visit to FB Tuning Rich was very helpful in fitting the thing and while it was up on the ramp. bleeding the brakes.. he also kindly moved the fuel cut at 1.76 bar which I have run into a few times recently on slightly more aggressive boost duty settings, while performing lazy 5th gear overtakes.

Once again big thanks to Rich who always helps me out in my times of need!


Today!

A rather savage trip over the mountain on the Isle of Man recently had me boil (in traffic afterwards) my PFC dot4 racing brake fluid that had only been bled threw a month or so before.. Nevertheless this made it abundantly clear to me it was time to do something about this and try to do it properly.

So I set about gathering bits to improve the brake cooling efficiency - which is pretty piss poor on Subaru's in all honesty, and finally today found time to throw it all on the car.

bits used:-

Roo-ducts (US import) - they look like hospital piss pipes or something!
76mm heatproof 2 ply silicon pipe.
102mm neoprene 2 ply pipe
92mm neoprene 2 ply left overs
76mm Revotec exit ducts
Some scrap aluminium plate.
Silicon sealant.
Hamarite under seal with wax-oil
Jubile clips.
Hand full of rivets
Zip ties.... lots and lots of zipties!

First things first.

Mount the wheel arch roo-ducts.. this involved sizing them up and then drilling a few holes and tapping them etc. I read somewhere on a US forum that you needed to space the bottom bolt hole otherwise it causes cracking! so did this too, filled all the drilled/tapped holes with hammerite underseal/waxoil and then bolted them up.



I then fed both sides with 102mm neoprene pipe (which is massive by the way!)
although I was forced to step down the size of the pipework to 92mm on the passenger side due to room and angular constraints presented by the location of the IC pipes and Oil cooler.. very tempted to re-root all of it!

This process involves some trimming of the wheel arch liners (been here before!), silicon sealing the pipe to the existing standard brake duct holes in the front bumper + some zip ties





Once happy with the all the pipework feeding the roo-ducts I started work on fabricating some simple brackets out of some scrap plate aluminium and revotec exit ducts, they ended up looking something like this..





Once fitted look something like this..



Other side with pipework attached



while fitting these was very careful not to interfere with ABS sensor.


Once all in place and lots of revolutions of the steering wheel back and forth by my excellent assistant Handbrake, making sure all was solid I secured a couple of thin strips of rubber to stop any chaffing of the pipe on the coilovers/ ABS sensor.





As you can see once its all back together the clearances are nice!

NS

OS


Clearance to the tyres is a little on the close side!


Needless to say tyres (of a different size!) getting fitted in next few days

Finished..!
Also found time to re trim and fresh piece of grill for behind the oil cooler.
Next project Might be to seal it all in with some kind of bigger improved splitter I think!




Going out for a spirited drive afterwards and quickly measuring the brakes once arriving home, both discs where under 80 degrees C which is very encouraging.

More to follow.

[Rdlangy1]

Wow! That is some serious fettling Dave

Amazing ingenuity and looks very tidy indeed - cracking job

[NL03Scooby]

Good work, looks pretty neat and tidy and if effective should really help out. Surprised you didn't go all out on a water cooling system 😉

I presume you have no backing plates behind this bigger brake set up and used the subsequently spare bolt hole to attach the alu plate?

[The Handbrake]

Some of the bits look rusty is that normal or are we needing to rustproof?/ replace?

Looks good too xxxxx

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by The Handbrake

Some of the bits look rusty is that normal or are we needing to rustproof?/ replace?

Looks good too xxxxx

Yes unfortunately we need all new spec-c Ra running gear.. Will explain later but have to be done very soon!

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by NL03Scooby

Good work, looks pretty neat and tidy and if effective should really help out. Surprised you didn't go all out on a water cooling system 😉

I presume you have no backing plates behind this bigger brake set up and used the subsequently spare bolt hole to attach the alu plate?

Aye rob that's correct, seems pretty effective after my brief "test" last night, I thought about chopping up the old dust seals to do this but felt this might be neater, I still might chop them up and fit to those instead for fun!

[NL03Scooby]

Originally Posted by Ginola

Yes unfortunately we need all new spec-c Ra running gear.. Will explain later but have to be done very soon!

Hahahahaha... I mean, yes Wanda, that is what is needed unfortunately due to some rusty bits...

[SpecB]

You need something like this Dave.....

[NL03Scooby]

That's smart, like that.

[Ginola]

That looks perfect, I won't tell Wanda what it cost and just order it

[SpecB]

Don't forget the ceramic bearing upgrade at $700 (per bearing!)

Plus You'll need a subframe as well of course........

http://www.mooresport.com/images/pro...le_IGP3312.jpg

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by BlueBugEye

Don't forget the ceramic bearing upgrade at $700 (per bearing!)

Funnily enough I was reading up about those the other day, not so widely talked about really but makes a lot of sense!! I'm at circa £500 spent on wheel bearings in the last 4 years.

[Ginola]

Oh you're just posting porn now!

[SpecB]

I made the mistake of going on the site!

[Hongkongfooi]

looks great Dave...looks more of a gap to the disc than I thought from the one you showed me earlier

[Ginola]

Small update,

Did a little seat swapping for something that holds you a little better, drivers side standard passenger side XL to accommodate who ever!!
The total weight saving from this including frames and so forth is just over the weight of 1x normal seat, 18kg lighter than the original setup.

Still have harnesses to fit but they can wait!

Please excuse the phone snaps:-

[NL03Scooby]

Looking smart, no doubt putting the standard seat belts in to their buckles is an interesting event?

[Rdlangy1]

Very smart indeed Dave

[Granby]

Very nice Dave, if i remember correctly you can lift them seats with just one finger as they are so light

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by Granby

Very nice Dave, if i remember correctly you can lift them seats with just one finger as they are so light

yups 6.4kg each the frame and side mounts add a little more still well under 9kg each though!

[Hongkongfooi]

even my slim hips fitted in the drivers seat

[C. J.]

Best get it on track to test it

[Consti]

Looks awesome with the blue cushion inserts, very smart, just needs the STI logo embroided on them now. 😜👍


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[Steve_PPP]

Nice one Dave, they look spot on.

Originally Posted by C. J.

Best get it on track to test it

I'm sure we'll hear about it in a few days time

[Red Baron]

Do you have to relocate the belt clip on a newage seat? They are bolted to the actual seat on a classic.

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by Red Baron

Do you have to relocate the belt clip on a newage seat? They are bolted to the actual seat on a classic.

Aye you have to bolt it somewhere else or fabricate something to bolt it too.

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by Ginola

Small update,

Did a little seat swapping for something that holds you a little better, drivers side standard passenger side XL to accommodate who ever!!

It's bad enough when you have to lie to your other half about the cost of some modification, but to then have to say "don't worry love I'll make your side an XL", Certainly deserves a slap

[Bolesroor]

Originally Posted by Scott.T

It's bad enough when you have to lie to your other half about the cost of some modification, but to then have to say "don't worry love I'll make your side an XL", Certainly deserves a slap

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by Scott.T

It's bad enough when you have to lie to your other half about the cost of some modification, but to then have to say "don't worry love I'll make your side an XL", Certainly deserves a slap

Hey! Handbrake fitted in the standard seat!

[NL03Scooby]

With Daves generosity when it comes to giving passenger laps I think the 'fit for all' seat is a great idea, probably easier for everyone to get in and out of too.

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by NL03Scooby

With Daves generosity when it comes to giving passenger laps I think the 'fit for all' seat is a great idea, probably easier for everyone to get in and out of too.

I for one didn't fit in the size he bought original for the passages side, shows the kindness of some members to think of others .

[555_Si]

Dave did say he was having to change it as CJ was a lardy arse.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by 555_Si

Dave did say he was having to change it as CJ was a lardy arse.

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by 555_Si

Dave did say he was having to change it as CJ was a lardy arse.

Pot kettle

[Ginola]

A long time planned project has finally come to fruition today, as anyone that tracks these cars will tell you fuel cut is a serious issue due to the daft tank/pickup design, and having had my fair share of experiencing this issue first hand I had to do something about it.

I had bought all the parts for this Job (with the exception of 1 or 2 bits) about 9 months ago but never got round to fitting it all as I knew it would be more than a 1 day operation.

I wanted to go with an under bonnet install as I do not like the idea of having all the fuel setup in the boot along with the potential cabin smell there is the noisy bosh 044 pumps to contend with.

I have to say a thank you to FB tuning for loads of useful advise and a massive massive thankyou to C.J for help with advise, planning and installation of all the kit, not to mention the use of his Garage to work in!

parts fitted:
1.5 litre swirl pot
bosh 044 fuel reg
Fuel lab inline fiter,
Fuel lab FPR, (a different one)
Distribution block,
Parallel fuel rails
braided lines with Goodrich fittings + sleeved fuel rail lines.
Racecar mini washer bottle and pump.

Pics:-

The beginning:- last weekend we trial fitted everything except the rails and lines, with various bits drilled for fitting, lines placed and trimmed cut to size then done up in place to insure everything would fit just so, this also gave us the opportunity to find out if we needed any extra bits! one or two more where required.











This weekend we set about the job of fitting it all!

Manifold off!


Rails on! manifold back again!


with all the lines fed through, brackets made and fitted, pumps and filters mounted, lines fitted! I do need to paint that old bracket


even a dinky washer bottle
All done and fuel pressure set!..


Now to collar FB and hopefully a dry day to tweek the map

[NL03Scooby]

Looks like a top job, well done to both CJ and yourself for getting it all installed and successfully filling what little available free space there is in an Impreza engine bay, the amount of plumbing and pipe work puts a submarine to shame!

[stonejedi]

Very Nice job,and a worthy upgrade especially if used on track fuel starvation is no joke.SJ.

[C. J.]

Pleasure always welcome

[Rdlangy1]

Amazing work there by all involved - yet again you keep raising the standard Dave

[Ginola]

Small update:-
Fuel system got tweaked again a few weeks back, replaced all the rail lines with teflon and fire-sleeved them, removed distribution block and changed reg.



Then map tweek again to compensate, running a little more boost now circa 1.75 bar and above!

I need to add this dinky fuel cooler in somewhere..



And urm, I purchased some new electronics, not rushed with this but seemed the right way to go with what the car gets used for




I've also placed a little order up the road with some well known fabricators, will update again soon!

[Rdlangy1]

Ooooooooooooooh that's gonna be awesome!!!!

Great work and a true credit to you Dave. As always you continue to set the standard

[NL03Scooby]

Originally Posted by Ginola

That's a lot of excitement and change in one box, plenty more possibilities now Dave, how long before you start really playing with this yourself?

[scotty]

Nice collection of parts ive noticed you are going stealth black but me think its time to change the fuelab fuel filter to match

[Steve_PPP]

Nice one Dave, had no idea you were going Syvecs... that'll be good

And fuel cooler?! It won't stay cool once its had a nice chat with the spark plug

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

Nice one Dave, had no idea you were going Syvecs... that'll be good

Neither did he

[Ginola]

It's been another couple of weekends of Car play, so thought I would update,

As some of you already know I have run without the rear seats in the car for the last 5 months, I had been planning to fill the gap left by said rear seats with something sensible to make use of the lovely front seats I'd bought, so plans where set in motion and things discussed, and a plan was hatched,

First things first,.. having no seat and a stripped interior is fun for a while (particularly when you run with no plastics and no door trims etc! but it gets a little boomy particularly if your car isn't that quiet to start with, so a rear seat delete/firewall was in order (No! rear passengers are too heavy!)

C.J. had managed to source some aluminium honeycomb sheet as a base and kindly let me pinch a piece! several cardboard cutouts to check fitment! a jigsaw and a short while later and we had a board, backed with sound deadening pads and material too!

It fits!


Some Carpet was ordered to make the front a little bit more interior friendly and add to the sound deadening effect, + some anti vibration tape added to stop any rubbing noises that might occur with any chassis flex,



Seat delete done!!

After pre ordering this 5 weeks previously to arrive on a specific day! I was very nervous that this next piece of the puzzle would turn up on time or not.. I was unsure! but thankfully it did.


The next day Chris and myself set about pulling what remained of my interior out and cramming the above into the back of the car, surprisingly this went in without having to remove a door! a tourniquet was used on the legs, to squeeze it in, several hours later after some measuring and marking and a spot of sanding /welding and some drilling..



And the cage was in!, harnesses where fitted, and seat delete re-installed!


Next Day I set about completing the remainder of the carpet trimming and plastic re-install + re-paint of the lower crash bar and under seal the bottom of the car.

Results of all our labour!:-

Seatbelts or harnesses available!









I cannot thank C.J. enough for all his help in all this.. I am really happy with the results

[BIG"E"]

Looking very good ..

[Rdlangy1]

Very professional job as always Dave and looks awesome!