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Old 06-11-2019, 11:09 PM
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So the Mrs got an E-Golf. Fully electric as a lease car through her company. I didn't get involved in the decision making etc. In part it was because her car was end of life having had the cat stolen from under it at the station but it was pretty tired.

I didn't really think too much about it. However having now driven it a bit it's an absolute blast. It's not like driving a car. It's like your driving an RC Tamiya car from back in the day but your actually in it. It really shifts. The initial get away is not amazing but the 10-15 to say 50 mph is dispatched in an instant. It's the instant torque which sets it apart from a petrol / diesel. Its really quiet refined and smooth with no gear changes it's just seamless. Being the mk 7 golf its good on the inside as well. From the outside its boring as fk to look at. It has a few modes and one which you can recover energy when decelerating - I think enables the motor as a generator something like that. But its almost like you've go the brake on at like 40% when in this mode and off the throttle. You barely need to brake. It's kind of fun seeing if you can drive with no braking whatsoever. I'm sure it will be the culprit of some accidents as I don't think the brake lights show but the deceleration is more than expected. Whilst it's doing the same thing as driving a conventional car its that different that it's just fun and exciting.

The whole range and charging thing still has to be worked through. Really drops if you have the air con on. Just getting used to it. For the most part it's just going to be used for local stuff so thats probably ok.

The e-Golf will be no more from next year as VW will only be making EV's which are specific by design i.e. the wont try and fit an existing petrol / diesel model with electric power, more the will be specific electric cars of their own platform.

Probably many in the forum will not have interest in such a car - and TBH I didn't before we got it. Now I just find myself taking it out most of the time as it's just a complete hoot to drive. It's really easy - steering is super light and for local point an squirt driving it's very compliant in the suspension but still stiff enough to have a little fun. You can easily get the wheels to spin up on a slightly damp surface. Not sure if it has some diff trickery in there.

EV's are probably early on in their life cycle - charging and range is all the thing.

I think if a manufacturer can come up with a way by which instead of charging the battery you swap the battery for a fully charged version at a - cant call them petrol station - 'Energy Station' then there is the game changer. It would be like back in the day where you had the Tamiya RC cars and instead of waiting for that charge to happen you have a few batteries on chargers and you just swap out the battery -boom you are off and racing again. Many issues to get over as I'm sure the batteries deteriorate over time.

Hold on to your Scoobs - they will become rare and exotic classic's in a matter of years.

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Old 07-11-2019, 08:37 AM
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It's going to happen whether we like it or not, I think it was James May saying the other day that the EV could save our precious petrol engines, if we adopt electric then the odd die hard car enthusiast will be able to continue to use their petrol engines at the weekend, if we don't then the decision may be made for us.


If I could justify the initial outlay I'd have a Tesla for the commute, costs me about £200 a month in diesel at the moment and we now have charging points at work so could save me a few quid, but 37k for 4 year old Model S with only 25k left on the battery and power train warranty could be one hell of a risk as I'd do that in a year.
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Old 07-11-2019, 09:35 AM
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some sort of 'alternate' fuelled future will become normal BUT i feel EV's at this moment in time are to become the next PPi / Diesel scandal as some of the claims and Enviro issues are not being addressed correctly IMO

seems in general life its now acceptable for all kinds of claims that are blatantly untrue are being allowed.....
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Old 07-11-2019, 12:07 PM
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I've had a Nissan Leaf for nearly 5 years. It does all the boring day-to-day journeys easily, quietly, smoothly and with added smugness for the lack of tailpipe emissions and very low cost-per-mile. Acceleration from rest is good fun and driving without using the brake pedal can liven up the commute slightly (plus improves your range). And the wife loves it because it's so easy to drive.

Definitely makes me feel like I'm balancing out the expense and dino-juice of having a Scoob for fun!
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Old 07-11-2019, 04:26 PM
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unfortunately all you have done in essence is purchased a coal-fired Datsun.........

no-one (in authority anyhows) seems to be able to answer what the real world issues are behind the Lithium mines, power station emissions (a lot of which seem to be either burning fuels brought half way around the world or have massive end of life / waste issues), etc. and thats before you get to actual purchase costs
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Old 07-11-2019, 10:04 PM
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The logistics of EV's doesn't work for me. If there's a massive switch to them, charging is not going to work. Take Brighton for example,hundreds of thousands of terraced houses and most people can't park anywhere near their house,so no home charging. No place to put thousands of charging points on the street,so how will charging work. Designated areas with multiple charging points, join the queue, then sit in your car for half an hour our more. Never going to work,even with fast charging.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:48 PM
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unfortunately all you have done in essence is purchased a coal-fired Datsun.........

no-one (in authority anyhows) seems to be able to answer what the real world issues are behind the Lithium mines, power station emissions (a lot of which seem to be either burning fuels brought half way around the world or have massive end of life / waste issues), etc. and thats before you get to actual purchase costs
No fossils in my energy, we're with a 100% renewable supplier and have solar panels on the roof.

There are environmental costs in any car, whether it's ICE or EV, or hydrogen or whatever else. There is a lot of energy expended in extracting, transporting, refining and transporting again petrol/diesel fuels, but nobody really talks about those. The big oil lobbyists have a lot of money to spend pointing out any negative aspects of EVs.

Those news stories about the emissions of brake dust or tyre rubber particles from EVs conveniently ignores the fact that all vehicles emit those particles, and that EVs use their brakes significantly less by using energy regeneration while slowing down (without touching the brake pedal), and that currently these emissions have negligible effects on health when compared with what comes out of exhaust pipes. So when EVs are the most common type of vehicle on the road, there will be much lower exhaust gas emissions and less brake dust particle emission, even if the bits of tyre are still present.
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No fossils in my energy, we're with a 100% renewable supplier.
If I'm correct and having seen similar adverts for such energy, the gas and electric still comes down the same pipe/cable as does the water (which also has a carbon footprint).

So the 100% renewable is an indirect energy claim/statement because the supply is still coming from the same place, it's just that somehow through the billing system your billing agent feeds energy back into the system from a renewable source (assuming we can class 'the sun' and the movement of 'the moon', causing tidal movement and wind as renewable).
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exactly, ergo they are ALL talking bollucks................

i have no issue with Electric, Fossil or any other form of energy and i do believe that steps need to be taken BUT at the moment we are (yet again) simply heading towards another "Wieselgate" simply because most of our glorious leaders simply lie...........

i would love to know the real world figures for using a well maintained 15year old diesel against throwing it away and getting a new EV every 2/3 years as seems to be the suggested idea..........
we now live in a society where everyone wants the latest shiny thing and are reaping what we have sown!!
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Old 11-11-2019, 03:19 PM
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If I'm correct and having seen similar adverts for such energy, the gas and electric still comes down the same pipe/cable as does the water (which also has a carbon footprint).

So the 100% renewable is an indirect energy claim/statement because the supply is still coming from the same place, it's just that somehow through the billing system your billing agent feeds energy back into the system from a renewable source (assuming we can class 'the sun' and the movement of 'the moon', causing tidal movement and wind as renewable).

Yes, of course the energy comes down the same pipes/cables as everything else, it's not practical for anyone with a 'normal' property to be completely self-sufficient in this country for most of the year. I think the idea is that people switching to nominally 100% renewable energy plans should incentivise the suppliers themselves to invest in renewables, as they can see a market for selling the resulting energy.
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