Please explain Why??

[BIG"E"]

Taken from FB posted by Crowmam

Hi Folks

After too much trial and tribulation, it has finally been decided to start the forum from scratch again. We should probably have done this the moment we realised there was a problem, but people have been trying to get things back ever since the crash took place.

We are hearing from too many members via places like Facebook that they are not posting because of the unresolved nature of things on SES and the fact that it could all be lost if we moved everything into a new forum.



What is going to be gained by changing things?
There are several posts that have been put on FB that could have been posted on this forum.

What are the unresolved problems I have not noticed any from my end?

Surely if it aint broke dont fix it.

All the posts being put on FB can only have a negative impact to SES.

Several members on here have said to me that they dont and wont go on FB...
What ever that has gone on behind the scenes is not doing SES any favours, or are we god forbid going to end up like Sussex?

The Surrey site seems to be very similar to the SES forum set up and they dont seem to have any problems or the need to upgrade.

[ralliart didz]

i wont go on fakebook ,well said bigE.

[Scott.T]

if i could remove anything Facebook related easily from my phone, email and laptop i would . unfortunately all things these days come pre-installed and once registered its very difficult to hide from the Facebook world.
i wish i never registered and really don't get the point or want to risk airing any of my dirty washing in such a public arena.
i try to avoid Facebook as much as i try to avoid any product or media device starting with the letter 'i'

[robinmgb]

I agree, never use facebook, why would I want people seeing what I'm up to!

[munk]

all though i have aface book account i rarely use it.. and must admit that since ses started a page on there, (which im not involved with!!) the site has gone really quiet.. so in turn people havnt been posting much.. does have a knock on effect.... just hope what evers going on can be resolved, as this is, and hopefully will stay a bloody good forum!!

[SUBARMAN]

The risks of opening an SES facebook account were presumably considered in some detail, as there were bound to be negative effects on the forum through opening up an alternative for people to use.

However, it is a facility that many seem to be enjoying, although it's not for me personally. I have enough time spent keeping up with my family on facebook without adding a car club into the mix.

I will be very sad if all the history from SES disappears.

The worst thing that can come out of all this as far as I am concerned is that SES ends up doing a "Sussex". I hope it doesn't come to that, as SES came about through the original SussexScoobies meltdown. How sad if SES does the same! Have we learned nothing?

If Steve has had enough of the forum and packs it in for personal reasons, why do we all have to know why? Surely personal is private? He does not owe any of us a reason as far as I can see.

[Juppy]

im on facebook and have joined SES on there but i very rarely use it, im always on this forum and i prefer it much more

[Granby]

Originally Posted by robinmgb

I agree, never use facebook, why would I want people seeing what I'm up to!

How would people be seeing what your doing unless your posting it up on fb so people can see?

There seems to be a big confusion about fb, when you go on fb YOU decide who to be friends with and what information you share, people can ask to be you friend and you can say yes or no, if you do friend someone but don't like what they are posting then you can delete them

In the end it's costs nothing and can be a great way to keep in contact with people or pages (ie SES) and see what's happening or just have a laugh

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by SUBARMAN

The worst thing that can come out of all this as far as I am concerned is that SES ends up doing a "Sussex". I hope it doesn't come to that, as SES came about through the original SussexScoobies meltdown. How sad if SES does the same! Have we learned nothing?

Well said, Keith.

In my opinion, the facebook page has had a negative effect on SES. Yes, its an easily accessible media for chat. But it lacks the key fundamentals of a forum - structured sections, searchability, history. Conversations on facebook are lost further down a wall forever.

We're too good to 'do a Sussex'. We've got a great member base, we've invested in this site and items to make us stand out a bit more at shows/events. The donations we've received over the last couple of years to help run the club proves how much people like this place as a forum.

[majorscooby]

Well said Keith!!

Personally I would say close the FB page and bring all the car chat and threads back to Ses once / if it starts a fresh.

[SpecB]

Agreed - Although I am part of the Facebook group I have now effectively blocked it and have to actively go into the page to see posts etc. as most of what is posted in there is porn/pathetic or both.

If there needs to be any help setting up the new forums etc. let me know if I can be of assistance!

[Hongkongfooi]

Originally Posted by majorscooby

Well said Keith!!

Personally I would say close the FB page and bring all the car chat and threads back to Ses once / if it starts a fresh.

agreed, but i never signed up the facebook page anyway

[Tomma]

Not on Facetw@t and until today didn't even know there was an SES facebook page!

Facebook is having a negative impact on all forums in general it seems, maybe closing it without warning would prompt people to come back on here to find out why they can't 'i like' stuff and see the grass is still greener here

[andy-m]

i have to admit, altough I am in the SES FB group, i don't pay much attention to what's posted on there, I come to the forum instead.
The FB group I think would be handy for when forums are down or some technical issue prevents one or more of us from getting on to the forums as a backup form of staying in touch. Forums I think are a better format for what we post and are far easier to keep track of threads than in FB.

[SeanMcKnetic]

Over on Surrey Scoobies we have a Facebook page purely for visibility, but it is intended to direct people back to the Surrey Scoobies website for more in-depth discussion/info.

Myself and a couple of the other mods/admins on Surrey regularly notice how well SES does things. Don't downgrade your main online presence just because Facebook exists. Mark Zukerface could press a button next week and shut down all the Facebook pages for groups/clubs if he felt like it. Then you'd be back to square one.

SES forum is way too strong a resource to toss away like that.

[Krissyb]

Originally Posted by majorscooby

Well said Keith!!

Personally I would say close the FB page and bring all the car chat and threads back to Ses once / if it starts a fresh.

x2 agree on this mate , It's hard following all the stuff on facetube

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by SeanMcKnetic

Myself and a couple of the other mods/admins on Surrey regularly notice how well SES does things. Don't downgrade your main online presence just because Facebook exists. Mark Zukerface could press a button next week and shut down all the Facebook pages for groups/clubs if he felt like it. Then you'd be back to square one.

SES forum is way too strong a resource to toss away like that.

Thanks Sean. There will likely be a few changes as we look to overcome this 'hurdle' but rest assured that SES will pull through as a forum, one way or another

[SeanMcKnetic]

Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

Thanks Sean. There will likely be a few changes as we look to overcome this 'hurdle' but rest assured that SES will pull through as a forum, one way or another

[belliott]

Can I ask who is on the ses Facebook then, as it seems no one on the site from this thread is there. I find the Facebook group quite handy as I'm very rarely at a computer in the day and my phone is easily accessible for facebook and it means I still have a bit of a catchup throughout the day.

[Skullfudge]

I dont do FB period

[Anger]

Yeah but your old haha

[2-jaffacake-tone]

I am I am all for it, most of the stuff on the Facebook page is banter that dosent need to be on the forum, I do agree that some of the stuff on the facebook page,such as majorscooby clean up pics would be nice to have a project thread.

As Iv said before it takes a couple of seconds to put a picture up on facebook compared to ses forum, if I think that it has value to the forum I would post it, I don't think the 2 can be compared as they are 2 compleaty different ways of communicating.

[ralliart didz]

Originally Posted by Skullfudge

I dont do FB period

nor me,too many billy ive got 3,000 mates on there.

[Wonkey]

Can't even find the group on fb. Lool

Originally Posted by Granby

How would people be seeing what your doing unless your posting it up on fb so people can see?

There seems to be a big confusion about fb, when you go on fb YOU decide who to be friends with and what information you share, people can ask to be you friend and you can say yes or no, if you do friend someone but don't like what they are posting then you can delete them

In the end it's costs nothing and can be a great way to keep in contact with people or pages (ie SES) and see what's happening or just have a laugh

Again perfectly said , as I've posted in another thread.

[Anger]

Originally Posted by ralliart didz

nor me,too many billy ive got 3,000 mates on there.

Afraid you won't keep up

[BIG"E"]

Could someone please answer my questions at the beginning of this thread.

There is no getting away from the fact that FB is damaging this forum.

Perhaps we should have a poll???

[ralliart didz]

Originally Posted by Anger

Afraid you won't keep up

Originally Posted by BIG"E"

Could someone please answer my questions at the beginning of this thread.

There is no getting away from the fact that FB is damaging this forum.

Perhaps we should have a poll???

I disagree

[belliott]

Originally Posted by BIG"E"

Could someone please answer my questions at the beginning of this thread.

There is no getting away from the fact that FB is damaging this forum.

Perhaps we should have a poll???

Is it though or is the forum quiet due to many of the newer people having to resign up from when it went wrong before?

Originally Posted by robinmgb

I agree, never use facebook, why would I want people seeing what I'm up to!

They won't if you set your privacy up to friends and family

[majorscooby]

There is Only one major issue for me one this site and it's as Jaffa has said before ' the loading up of pictures for threads ' going through poxy photo bucket before hand can be a blooming nightmare and thats even if its working well at times!

My login to photo bucket never seems to work properly and there's no way of getting away from it that pics from your iPhone straight to Faceache is soo easy!


So that is one thing I would like looked at if poss please, a better and easier way of getting pics on here. If not and there is no other way then hayho I understand!


At the weekend I shall post up all the stuff in a little thread on the engine bay clean up and bits and bobs that I have guiltily been putting on FB because of its ease. ( I'll get me coat ).

[Anger]

So it's all your fault Rich....

Rich, now you've got iPhone it's honestly a doddle .
Use the photobucket app , I can take a picture , upload it to photobucket and post it on SES all on my iPhone with just a few clicks .
Will show you next time we see eachother mate .

[majorscooby]

I seriously didn't know there was an app for photo bucket but my login details don't work so I'll look into it, must pop over now my old girl is running as I have a piece of intercooler paint to give to you. Funny thing to give someone but we understand what it's for!!

[Granby]

Originally Posted by BIG"E"

Could someone please answer my questions at the beginning of this thread.

There is no getting away from the fact that FB is damaging this forum.

Perhaps we should have a poll???

I would say (and this is a guess) that the current forum software is not 100% stable, it may seem ok to normal users but behind the scenes there is probably lots of work going on to keep it working

The last outage and problems fixing it was the last straw I'd guess

Rich maybe it's your settings or connection but I very rarely have any problems with PB and all my pics posted on here are from PB, you can upload pics from your phone to PB but I do agree it's is easier going straight to FB

Hopefully FB and this forum can run alongside each other as they are 2 different types of social media but there will always be some kind of overlap between them

Originally Posted by majorscooby

I seriously didn't know there was an app for photo bucket but my login details don't work so I'll look into it, must pop over now my old girl is running as I have a piece of intercooler paint to give to you. Funny thing to give someone but we understand what it's for!!

You mean inlet paint mate
Would be good to see you and your car pal

[lady-turbo-wrx]

Originally Posted by robinmgb

I agree, never use facebook, why would I want people seeing what I'm up to!

Surely you only post what you dont mind others seeing,you can go private for friends and family only,if you so wish,the FB page i feel was ok for general chit-chat,and a bit of a laugh as lots of us have FB,though it seems to have been turned into a Titty page of late..
my feeling is the forum is for more in-depth discusions,and just because im part of the FB group,i dont come onto the forum any less..

[alfa male]

Never been on Facebook and never will!

Originally Posted by lady-turbo-wrx

Surely you only post what you dont mind others seeing,you can go private for friends and family only,if you so wish,the FB page i feel was ok for general chit-chat,and a bit of a laugh as lots of us have FB,though it seems to have been turned into a Titty page of late..
my feeling is the forum is for more in-depth discusions,and just because im part of the FB group,i dont come onto the forum any less..

Agree Trace

Originally Posted by alfa male

Never been on Facebook and never will!

Each to their own mate .
I use it for banter with mates, but if it disapeared tomorrow I really wouldn't give a damn

[ralliart didz]

fook fb,wot about worzel

He's stood in scatterbrook field

[ralliart didz]

Originally Posted by Crowman

He's stood in scatterbrook field

wot taking some flower pictures for nige

Originally Posted by ralliart didz

wot taking some flower pictures for nige

Yes mate , Anger is with him

[majorscooby]

Originally Posted by Crowman

You mean inlet paint mate
Would be good to see you and your car pal

Yes mate INLET paint for your exact colour match!! I'm a plum, was walking typing and thinking at the same time so my mind was in melt down.

[Frenchie]

I'am not on facebook and don't plan to be so I hope the SES forum continues.

[riiidaa]

wtf - seriously peeps, if you don't have or care for FB why for the love of god do you make such a song and dance about it? Stone a crowman.....

There is nothing on there that was not sent to me on an email from Admin@sout​heastscoobi​es.co.uk on 06/08/2012, and posted in this Forum. [IF we are talking about the 'Starting over' threads]

FB is not damaging this forum, a hack did that. The FB group was there and pretty dormant prior. The only reason anyone started making some use of it was because SES was down for some time...

I can't see what else is in the FB group that could have a detrimental affect to SES, with perhaps the exception of riskay photos of birds being posted up? Now if that is what you mean - why not just say so.

[riiidaa]

For those not on the FB group:

Martyn Chapman-Smith
Hi Folks

After too much trial and tribulation, it has finally been decided to start the forum from scratch again. We should probably have done this the moment we realised there was a problem, but people have been trying to get things back ever since the crash took place.

We are hearing from too many members via places like Facebook that they are not posting because of the unresolved nature of things on SES and the fact that it could all be lost if we moved everything into a new forum.
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Ian Pain I dont understand what the problem is. SES. is up and running the same as ever since its little blip. What is going to be gained by changing things? There are several posts that have been put on FB that could have been posted on the SES forum. What are the unresolved problems I have not noticed any from my end. Surely if it aint broke dont fix it. All the posts on here can only have a negative impact to SES. Several members on SES have said to me that they dont and wont go on FB... What ever that has gone on behind the scenes is not doing SES any favours, or are we god forbid going to end up like Sussex. Surrey site seems to be very similar to the SES forum set up and they dont seem to have any problems??
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Andy Medlicott Not sure what's gone on behind te scenes only the staff know that but I'm sure theve all been working hard behind the scenes to fix any problems and keep SES running and to stop something like what happend happening in the future.

As for the fb group it's alot easier havin a quick look when out and about rather than going to the full site, but imo it still dosent compare to the full site, also quite a few members want to post on here for the time being just incase any posts get lost when the change over happens, I do agree though some of the posts could of been put on the main site but it's handy for a quick update now and then on a project of some sort of modification someone's done.

Maby if there's alot of split opinion over the fb group, when the new sites up and running maby there should be a poll to keep it or not? I personally think its a good group to have as its another part to add to the scooby community and also could draw in some new members.

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Martyn Chapman-Smith Ian, I hear what your saying and understand your concerns , the one issue with keeping SES forum as it is , is that we will not be able to update at all in the future . Although currently its pretty irelivent
There has been a thread posted on P1 Woc about FB , interesting reading . I set up this group as a chat room , not something to replace the forum , it works fantastically as that .Personally I think anything other than chat and banter should go on the forum IMHO .
I set the site up in the start , both me and Steve Ran it together and Steve very kindly financed it , Ron then joined us and put loads of time into it . Things have changed , Steve has decided to walk away and I have stepped away to mull over what to do.
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Martyn Chapman-Smith Hi trace, everything is a little up in the air still , due to admin issues .
As and when the forum changes over , yes I'm afraid you would need to re register .
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Martyn Chapman-Smith Ian, I hear what your saying and understand your concerns , the one issue with keeping SES forum as it is , is that we will not be able to update at all in the future . Although currently its pretty irelivent
There has been a thread posted on P1 Woc about FB , interesting reading . I set up this group as a chat room , not something to replace the forum , it works fantastically as that .Personally I think anything other than chat and banter should go on the forum IMHO .
I set the site up in the start , both me and Steve Ran it together and Steve very kindly financed it , Ron then joined us and put loads of time into it . Things have changed , Steve has decided to walk away and I have stepped away to mull over what to do.
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There is more in above than ive known. Im not a fan of fb & do think it has an adverse effect on SES {my opinion}. Above could have been on the forum as it shed more light to whats happening. As far as i can make out the three admins have had words. Worzel has left Crowman needs time to re asses his position. Ok Ron that puts you to the front ! Whats going on? Whats your opinion? Im meant to be a Mod on this forum & no nothing.