SES Ring Trip 2020 29/5/20 to 3/6/20

[BIG"E"]

Ring dates for next year have just been published,
I think the dates for the best Ring access will be from:

Friday 29/5/20 for a four night stay returning on Tuesday 2nd June

We will traveling via the Channel tunnel.

Eurotunnel fare at the moment is £138.

Departure 29/5/20 @ 07.50.
Returning 3/6/20 at 17.20


Do not forget to book when going through the vehicle details section, "to say you are carrying bikes on the roof"



We are staying here:

http://www.hohe-acht.com/your-hotel-...-nordschleife/


The hotel also has space for us to store tyres tools etc. in a secure cellar.

I have provisionally booked 11 twin rooms and 5 single rooms,

The room rates this year for a twin room are 70 euros PRPN and 47 euros PRPN for a single occupied room, prices include breakfast.



If you are wanting to join us on this trip please put your name on the list.

1: Ian and Steve.
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[Seanedg]

1: Ian and Steve.

2: Sean and Cheryl

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[georgehawkins27]

1: Ian and Steve.

2: Sean and Cheryl

3: George & Ellie

4:

5:

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[Leight]

1: Ian and Steve.

2: Sean and Cheryl

3:leighton & Lisa

4:George & Ellie

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

[Granby]

1: Ian and Steve.

2: Sean and Cheryl

3: leighton & Lisa

4: George & Ellie

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Granby

[BIG"E"]

Looking good...

[BIG"E"]

Channel Tunnel at the moment is the same price as last year..£132..

Dont forget to say that you've got a roof box to go on the bottom wider deck on the train.

[HYDROSCOBY]

I am unsure if I can make it but I really want to go again. Just have to see how things go in the next month or so.

[georgehawkins27]

Originally Posted by HYDROSCOBY

I am unsure if I can make it but I really want to go again. Just have to see how things go in the next month or so.

Hope you can make it! 😁

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[jmcc42uk]

Might see you boys over there

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by jmcc42uk

Might see you boys over there

When are you going?

Originally Posted by jmcc42uk

Might see you boys over there

Do you do a mobile tinting service?

[nikkinokkinoo]

1: Ian and Steve.

2: Sean and Cheryl

3: leighton & Lisa

4: George & Ellie

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Granby

7: Nikkinokkinoo

[Bolesroor]

1: Ian and Steve.

2: Sean and Cheryl

3: leighton & Lisa

4: George & Ellie

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Granby

7: Nikkinokkinoo

8: Steve & Liz - Twin room

9: Mark +1 - Twin room
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[Pottsy1973]

Hi Ian

Is this to drive the circuit? If so how much is it to track your car?


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[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Pottsy1973

Hi Ian

Is this to drive the circuit? If so how much is it to track your car?
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Our trip to the ring.

Is about like minded people out on a driving trip having fun in their cars.

We generally convoy down to the Nurburg area and stay in a hotel that is close to the Nurburgring.

Yes the ring is open to the public on the days that we are staying.

On the trip when the ring is open to the public it becomes a"Public Toll Road" which means your pay 30 euros go to the barrier and off you go on a site seeing trip, commonly known as a TF (touristenfahrten day)
its not a race track and should be treated as such.

Although most of the road is unrestricted as to how fast you go.

Its not all about the ring though the local area has some great scenery and some very nice driving roads.
Have a look at previous ring trip photos and vids it will give you an idea of what we get up to.

I hope this helps, if you have any questions please ask.

[555_Si]

This year I am probably taking my Scoob, but probably not going on the Ring, as Ian says it is also about the company and the local surroundings.

Though if you have never been on the Ring before, worth at least getting a passenger lap if nothing else.

[Lucky]

You won’t regret going. Firstly a great bunch of like minded people. It’s such a laugh. The scenery and roads around the ring are incredible. When I went I only did a couple of laps and then thoroughly enjoyed watching from various points around the ring, beer in hand

The drive there and back is a big part of it too. I would say to anyone thinking of going, the SES ring trip is the one to go on. It’s brilliantly organised and great fun. I will for sure be going again, but due to young family, owning and expanding business and a love for LeMans (which is only a few weeks apart), it’s not been possible for the last few years for me. I’m doing LeMans again this year but next I think I’ll be joining this trip again.

Steve.

[Mike j]

1: Ian and Steve.

2: Sean and Cheryl

3: leighton & Lisa

4: George & Ellie

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Granby

7: Nikkinokkinoo

8: Steve & Liz - Twin room

9: Mark +1 - Twin room
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10. Mike

[boggissimo]

I'd love to join you for this one day, but haven't seen anywhere that says whether kids are allowed to be passengers round the ring? I suppose if it's considered a normal road there shouldn't be a restriction, but has anyone got the definitive answer??

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by boggissimo

I'd love to join you for this one day, but haven't seen anywhere that says whether kids are allowed to be passengers round the ring? I suppose if it's considered a normal road there shouldn't be a restriction, but has anyone got the definitive answer??

If children were not allowed they would tell you there are no signs saying no children.

On TF days its a public toll road open to any road going vehicle.

Children are definitely allowed

Obviously that is your choice.

[555_Si]

Dale takes his kids round in their child seats.

[georgehawkins27]

@Steve_PPP I think you've forgotten to put your name down

You know you want to!! 😏😁

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[Neil97rs]

Kids are def allowed I’ve seen tf videos with small kids in cars so no problems

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Neil97rs

Kids are def allowed I’ve seen tf videos with small kids in cars so no problems

So what are u waiting for??

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by georgehawkins27

@Steve_PPP I think you've forgotten to put your name down

You know you want to!! 😏😁

You're right, I do
But it doesn't fit with Claire coming due to childcare/getting Ellie to school on the Mon/Tues so unless I work out a last minute plan with a passenger then i'll be missing it this year again....

[georgehawkins27]

Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

You're right, I do

But it doesn't fit with Claire coming due to childcare/getting Ellie to school on the Mon/Tues so unless I work out a last minute plan with a passenger then i'll be missing it this year again....

Such a shame! Maybe you'll find a passenger 😁

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[Ferd]

1: Ian and Steve.

2: Sean and Cheryl

3: leighton & Lisa

4: George & Ellie

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Granby

7: Nikkinokkinoo

8: Steve & Liz - Twin room

9: Mark +1 - Twin room

10: Mike

11: Ferd

Hopefully I can confirm this week to get the time off. ** Sorted

[Mike j]

Sorry guys, won’t be able to make this now. ��

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Mike j

Sorry guys, won’t be able to make this now. ��

Nooooooooooo.

You must have a good reason to be absent..

[nikkinokkinoo]

I've got a friend wot has an MX5 and just started doing track days etc - he's got interest in coming.

1: Ian and Steve.

2: Sean and Cheryl

3: leighton & Lisa

4: George & Ellie

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Granby

7: Nikkinokkinoo

8: Steve & Liz - Twin room

9: Mark +1 - Twin room

10: Nige

11: Ferd

[BIG"E"]

1: Ian and Steve.

2: Sean and Cheryl

3: leighton & Lisa

4: George & Ellie

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Granby

7: Nikkinokkinoo

8: Steve & Liz - Twin room

9: Mark +1 - Twin room

10: Nige

11: Ferd

12: Mike J

[BIG"E"]

Twin Rooms

1: Ian and Steve.

2: Sean and Cheryl

3: leighton & Lisa

4: George & Ellie

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Steve & Liz

7: Mark + 1

8: Nige +

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Single Room

1:Granby

2: Nikkinokkinoo

3:Ferd

4: Mike J

We met this lot years ago. Northern stig got his arse kicked by a super quick mini & he had done a 7.55 lap.
https://www.facebook.com/events/872443839879802/

[Anger]

Shame I can’t come this year but have a Ultra race on

Twin Rooms

1: Ian and Steve.

2: Sean and Cheryl

3: leighton & Lisa

4: George & Ellie

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Steve & Liz

7: Mark + 1

8: Nige + Skullfudge

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Single Room

1:Granby

2: Nikkinokkinoo

3:Ferd

4: Mike J

Originally Posted by Anger

Shame I can’t come this year but have a Ultra race on

It is a shame mate maybe next time

[BIG"E"]

16 weeks to go!!!

[BIG"E"]

Ive been looking on various car forums and it would appear several others have the same idea to go at the same time as us.

This is probably due to the amount of time the ring is open..

So I would suggest your book Eurotunnel to be assured we all get on the same train.

Do not forget to book when going through the vehicle details section, "to say you are carrying bikes on the roof"


(Before you used to have the option of booking over 1.85m)

The price has also started to creep up it is now £136

[Red Baron]

Why do you need to book the high clearance carriages? Unless you're running something stupidly low or extremely wide you'll get on the upper or lower decks of the standard carriages fine.

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Red Baron

Why do you need to book the high clearance carriages? Unless you're running something stupidly low or extremely wide you'll get on the upper or lower decks of the standard carriages fine.

My WR1 used to bottom out as did other newage scoobs on coilovers (due to the overhang distance from the front splitter to the tyres) the lower deck is a lot wider too, my megane is 10" wider than the scoob and it just makes it easier.

We have always done this.

[Seanedg]

My old datsun bottoms out... 😜

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[Red Baron]

Originally Posted by BIG"E"

my megane is 10" wider than the scoob

Is that based on your measurements or your wifes?

[Frenchie]

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[Granby]

I'm gonna pull out this year, just gonna give it a miss for one year and should be back next year

Twin Rooms

1: Ian and Steve.

2: Sean and Cheryl

3: leighton & Lisa

4: George & Ellie

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Steve & Liz

7: Mark + 1

8: Nige + Skullfudge

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Single Room

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2: Nikkinokkinoo

3: Ferd

4: Mike J

Such a shame love your company & not to mention the sound of your car mate

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Nige

Such a shame love your company & not to mention the sound of your car mate

Agreed 100% 😥😥

[Bolesroor]

Agree about Granby, would have been even more special with 2 V8's at Ring.

I've just booked crossing (£142) so it's going up.
I did speak to them online as I want to stay with Mark on the single deck who will have the MGR on a trailer. They said not an issue subject to availability and to book high vehicle as Big E said " bikes on roof".

Having said that on my last trip with SES I was placed on the lower deck with no issues and my scoob is quite low on the front with a splitter aswell.

They do have spotters that check your height before directing you onto the train , incase anyone is worried and unable to get on the single deck?

[BIG"E"]

We still have some rooms available..

The Eurotunnel price is starting to increase which can mean space is limited on the train we are getting.


The trip is not all about driving the Ring,

the local roads, scenery and the atmosphere around the area is awesome.

The ring was on my bucket list Ive now ticked that box 12 times

If anyone has any questions please ask away..

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https...a4Oy92AdVw&s=1

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by BIG"E"

The trip is not all about driving the Ring,

the local roads, scenery and the atmosphere around the area is awesome.

Couldn't agree more.... hence I'm taking Claire & Ellie out there for a week at the end of July (as can't make the SES Ring trip in May).

Doubt i'll be on circuit as will be taking the diesel beemer, but will be visiting stuff and enjoying the scenery in the Moselle/Rhine valley. Ellie likes a castle or two as well, no shortage of them... Staying 2 mins from the Ring in a chalet/lodge place (Lindner Ferienpark Nürburgring).

We were going to go to Cornwall for the week but the accomodation in Germany looked better and half the price!

[Seanedg]

Twin Rooms

1: Ian and Steve. ( Eurotunnel paid)

2: Sean and Cheryl (Tunnel paid)

3: leighton & Lisa

4: George & Ellie

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Steve & Liz

7: Mark + 1

8: Nige + Skullfudge (tunnel paid)

9:

10:

11:

Single Room

1:

2: Nikkinokkinoo

3: Ferd

4: Mike J

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[georgehawkins27]

Twin Rooms

1: Ian and Steve. ( Eurotunnel paid)

2: Sean and Cheryl (Tunnel paid)

3: leighton & Lisa

4: George & Ellie (ET Paid)

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Steve & Liz

7: Mark + 1

8: Nige + Skullfudge (tunnel paid)

9:

10:

11:

Single Room

1:

2: Nikkinokkinoo

3: Ferd

4: Mike J


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[Bolesroor]

Twin Rooms

1: Ian and Steve. ( Eurotunnel paid)

2: Sean and Cheryl (Tunnel paid)

3: leighton & Lisa

4: George & Ellie (ET Paid)

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Steve & Liz (Tunnel Paid)

7: Mark + 1 (Tunnel Paid)

8: Nige + 1 (tunnel paid)

9:

10:

11:

Single Room

1:

2: Nikkinokkinoo

3: Ferd

4: Mike J

[scotty]

The list is looking good for this years trip.

[Bolesroor]

Twin Rooms

1: Ian and Steve. ( Eurotunnel paid)

2: Sean and Cheryl (Tunnel paid)

3: leighton & Lisa

4: George & Ellie (ET Paid)

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Steve & Liz (Tunnel Paid) + (Deposit Sent)

7: Mark + 1 (Tunnel Paid) + ( Deposit Sent)

8: Nige + 1 (tunnel paid)

9:

10:

11:

Single Room

1:

2: Nikkinokkinoo

3: Ferd

4: Mike J

Twin Rooms

1: Ian and Steve. ( Eurotunnel paid)

2: Sean and Cheryl (Tunnel paid)

3: leighton & Lisa

4: George & Ellie (ET Paid)

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Steve & Liz (Tunnel Paid) + (Deposit Sent)

7: Mark + 1 (Tunnel Paid) + ( Deposit Sent)

8: Nige + ? (tunnel paid)

9:

10:

11:

Single Room

1:

2: Nikkinokkinoo

3: Ferd

4: Mike J

[Leight]

Got to ask, do you lot think everything will go as normal with this virus crap going around?.

[Anger]

Originally Posted by Leight

Got to ask, do you lot think everything will go as normal with this virus crap going around?.

The VLN races have just been cancelled, but no news on TF yet


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[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Leight

Got to ask, do you lot think everything will go as normal with this virus crap going around?.

Hopefully, unfortunately all we can do is wait and see..

On a plus side it might be quieter this year.

[Frenchie]

If you look at the figures in China it really got going mid-Jan,peaked mid Feb and is now almost contained. Looks like your all be ok.

I went to France on Wednesday & due to this bug The train over was light. On the way back it was so light it took 50 mins instead of the normal 35min. Hopefully no queuing when we get there. Hand gell, elbow bumps & give the customs guys a toilet roll job done
I’ve had my speed limiter removed so my passenger may need a bog roll or two YOUR

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by Nige

I’ve had my speed limiter removed so my passenger may need a bog roll or two

What you driving these days Nige? German i assume?

[Leight]

Twin Rooms

1: Ian and Steve. ( Eurotunnel paid)

2: Sean and Cheryl (Tunnel paid)*

3: leighton & Lisa (Tunnel paid)

4: George & Ellie (ET Paid)

5: 555_Si & Wagon_Jo - Twin room

6: Steve & Liz (Tunnel Paid) + (Deposit Sent)

7: Mark + 1 (Tunnel Paid) + ( Deposit Sent)

8: Nige + ? (tunnel paid)

9:*

10:*

11:

Single Room

1:

2: Nikkinokkinoo

3: Ferd

4: Mike J

[Leight]

What's everyone's thoughts on breakdown cover then as last years and previous ones we find out that we are not covered if you go on track.

Has anyone found one that will cover you?.

[georgehawkins27]

It wasn't the being on track, it was if you broke down on-track.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but legally I believe the issue was (in the end), down to modification of vehicles.

Which that being said, any suggestions on breakdown cover for modified vehicles? 🤔

Note for all, as they have been clamping down in UK, even a non-standard exhaust is a modification, so not advised to dance on a risk-positive strategy (unless the cover is more than doubling down on cost?!)

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[georgehawkins27]

Update on COVID-19!

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[scotty]

Hopefully the borders be open for when you all go for the yearly trip .

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by Leight

What's everyone's thoughts on breakdown cover then as last years and previous ones we find out that we are not covered if you go on track.

I think the main issues are that:
- some breakdown companies would have an exclusion zone around the Ring, based on their assumption that you've broken your car by ragging it on track...
- If if they don't have an exclusion zone around the Ring, some admit to looking at Ring photos/social media accounts if you happen to break down nearby and then won't cover as the policy doesn't cover 'competitive' or track driving.
- Some will just refuse to cover modified cars, but only at the point of claiming when you most need help. When was the last time you saw the option to even specify modifications on a breakdown quote?

It's something i've thinking about as well as we'll be staying a few miles from the Ring in July, but won't be using TF. If i need breakdown cover, I fully expect to have an argument on my hands because I just happen to be staying down the road...

Thieving gits, all of them

[scotty]

I used AA for European breakdown cover and I sware by them that they are bloody good they covered my old type r that was lightly modified and will use them again for both my foz and classic .

[Leight]

Yeah I used AA last year but it came out that if you went on the ring you are not covered they look a the carmas etc for the ring and then it all kicked off from that, Sean knows more on it then me as hes been looking into it but I'm sure your not covered and was wasting money paying for it and can't use it.

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by scotty

I used AA for European breakdown cover and I sware by them that they are bloody good they covered my old type r that was lightly modified and will use them again for both my foz and classic .

But you were about 50 miles from the Ring when it went pop.... I imagine you might have had a different conversation if you were parked up in Adenau phoning then

[Leight]

Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

But you were about 50 miles from the Ring when it went pop.... I imagine you might have had a different conversation if you were parked up in Adenau phoning then

Yeah it's just a grey area I guess, if it goes bang near the ring your screwed as they will look to see if you was on it. Theres different things being said so I dont know what's what's or whats the best thing to do

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Leight

Yeah it's just a grey area I guess, if it goes bang near the ring your screwed as they will look to see if you was on it. Theres different things being said so I dont know what's what's or whats the best thing to do

I have been with ADAC for years,

I have just renewed my membership over the phone.

Unfortunately they are no longer taking new customers from the UK..

Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

What you driving these days Nige? German i assume?

Yes mate I’m in a A45 AMG. Had a RS focus last year at the Ring good car but the engines are chocolate. Then bought a Golf R that lasted 7 days couldn’t get it around a decent corner + it drove itself. I’m sure the A45 will be ok there. You still got the bug?

[Ferd]

One silver lining in all this virus stuff, fuel could be cheaper this trip if the prices remain they way they're going, 1.07/ltr for 98 over here now: https://www.rtl.lu/mobiliteit/petrolspraisser it's dropped around 30cents in over the last fortnight.

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by Nige

You still got the bug?

Yep, the bugs still here. 13 years i've had it now.
The A45 AMG will do fine round there, I had a good fun lap a few years ago chasing one for ages, although he just had the edge on me. A few bits of traffic let me close back up

[HYDROSCOBY]

I was with the aa breakdown and broke my gearbox near the ring. When it come to claiming they checked photos and noticed my car had been on the ring, change plates next time lol.

It wasnt declared as modified as it wasn't a option.

Also it said in the terms that it has to have all the service stamps done, I'm sure not many people have that because we all maintain are cars are selfs, well I do anyway.

They will always find something if they don't want to pay up.

I hope you all have a good trip

[Steve_PPP]

TF closed until April 20th. Spectator locations around the Nordschliefe are closed.



Sorry about huge image, stolen from FB and can't resize at the moment...

[georgehawkins27]

Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

TF closed until April 20th. Spectator locations around the Nordschliefe are closed.



Sorry about huge image, stolen from FB and can't resize at the moment...

😭😭 there is still hope though..

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[scotty]

See they have closed the borders into Germany not sure how long it will be for .

[Frenchie]

I believe it's initially for 30 days,but with the possibility to extend if necessary. Lots of countries putting time lines on events/suspension of travel ,etc ,but we are all going into the unknown. Keeping my fingers crossed.

So my cars ready & Boris says no!

[BIG"E"]

Quite obviously our trip is not looking good !!.

Those of you that have paid deposits will get a full refund.

For those that have already booked Eurotunnel

I have copied the following email which explains your position with Eurotunnel

Standard Tickets

You can amend your booking for free up to 24 hours before your departure time, if you’re travelling in the same direction and we have space available (you will have to pay the difference if the new ticket is more expensive, but there will be no amendment fees). Most ticket types have a full year from date of original purchase to be used. You can amend your booking here: My Eurotunnel

Flexiplus Tickets

As well as being amendable our Flexiplus tickets are fully refundable too. Travel to be completed within 1 calendar year of the date of original purchase.

Our service is operating as normal and our ticket terms and conditions can be found here.

Bookings made with Tesco or other discount vouchers

If you have purchased a ticket in full or part using a Tesco or other discount voucher, please contact us by phone to amend your booking.


If it proves impossible to continue our (as looks likely) trip.

I will be looking at going later on in the year.

If all else fails we can hang onto the Eurotunnel tickes until next year and go then provided its with in a year of the previously booked trip.

So now its a case of fingers crossed and wait and see.

Best regards

Ian

[Frenchie]

Must be a massive disappointment for everyone concerned,especially you Ian,but the right decision. All stay safe and plenty of opportunities in the future.

[Steve_PPP]

Update on the situation at the Ring here from Robert/Misha (Apex)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVQVEGUPN_c

[555_Si]

Shame we won’t be able to travel to get there for a while.

[BIG"E"]

No hotels open yet...

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by 555_Si

Shame we won’t be able to travel to get there for a while.

I'd be suprised if international travel starts at all in 2020.

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Scott.T

I'd be surprised if international travel starts at all in 2020.

There is an EU meeting on the 15th May that will decide things,
we can only live in hope??


If we cant go in May we still have a years grace on the Eurotunnel bookings.

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by BIG"E"

There is an EU meeting on the 15th May that will decide things,
we can only live in hope??


If we cant go in May we still have a years grace on the Eurotunnel bookings.

What planet are you on.
This thing isnt going to vanish just because lockdown is relaxed.

[Steve_PPP]

No chance of May happening Ian i'm afraid. Even if they allow hotels to open, there won't be freedom of movement at borders, international travel will be limited to work/essential purposes only for a while I expect. Germany have done a better job than us of limiting the death toll, partly due to much more extensive testing. The last thing they're going to do is open the doors to thousands of Brits coming over potentially carrying it - we're looking to be one of the worst affected European countries alongside Italy, Spain & France.

I'm booked for a week out there at the end of July - 3 months away this week. I'm doubtful we'll be allowed to travel for that...

[Red Baron]

I've written off the possibility of all international travel for 12 months or so. I'll pay for my holiday next week and as soon as they cancel it I'll reschedule for next summer.
Going to be a summer of bbqs in the garden with the family.

[Frenchie]

I guess Ian is just voicing what we are all hoping that life will begin to get better. Of course it's going to take time, but the latest figures give some signs of hope. Once we are back to normal I think we should have a weekend meet ,with accommodation so alchol can be consumed. Stay safe everybody.

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Frenchie

I guess Ian is just voicing what we are all hoping that life will begin to get better. Of course it's going to take time, but the latest figures give some signs of hope. Once we are back to normal I think we should have a weekend meet ,with accommodation so alchol can be consumed. Stay safe everybody.

Agreed 100%..

Restrictions are changing all the time.

[Steve_PPP]

So from 18th May, hotels in Germany are allowed to accept tourists and not just business travellers.

Still have the problems of:
- masks having to be worn anywhere in the Nurburgring area (apart from in the car)
- no passenger swapping allowed for laps
- no spectators in the main viewing areas
- car parks closed, main paddock at GP circuit opened for 'socially distanced' parking between laps.
- at the moment, the borders from Belgium/France are still closed to non-essential traffic
- no idea if restaurants will allow people to sit inside as normal after this date, or whether they will all still be takeaway only.

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[Ferd]

Yeah the borders to Germany are still pretty much closed anything but essential or cross-border workers with papers. The surrounding countries are all complaining about it, even the border towns all flying flags at half-mast in protest.

Then there's the "border" between the UK and France, and I don't see that one being opened any time soon considering the situation in the UK and France not having had a had good time of it either and wanting to make it worse again.

My feeling from chatting to my friend across the border in Germany is that, yes they may open things up more in time for the trip, but it's not going to be very "open" as we're finding from the restrictions around the Ring and will make for a rather joyless trip. I would think postponing until after the summer is the best option.

[BIG"E"]

Thanks you for your post Steve and Ferd

I am in constant contact with all those on the list.

This is a fast moving situation with what seems to be daily changes.

It will be very interesting to see what Borris says on Sunday.


However..

I had a long conversation/discussion with Frank (the hotelier) yesterday.

on his advice I have decided to POSTPONE this years trip.

For the following reasons: (which obviously could change)

At the moment the borders are effectively shut (which could change)

There will be no public viewing or car parks open such as Brunchen.

No groups of more than 2 or any other meetings

You will have to sign in to any venue you go into pubs, cafe and restaurants. so they can trace you or notify you if you have been close to any contamination.

The place is going to be overrun with the police, the speeding rules and fines have recently changed and they are looking closely at any modded cars.

Masks will have to be worn.

So the days of sitting outside and enjoying a few beers watching the world go by are not happening yet, may be later in the year.

I cant quote what Frank said, but what sums it up is: there is no point in coming because of all these fooking rules and police will spoil your fun!!


So what I am proposing is to go on the weekends of

September 11th to 14th.
or
October 2nd to 5th. (this is Green Hell weekend the weekend after VLN )



What are your thoughts please ?

[Ferd]

Both dates are ok with me, although that still depends on my manager approving them.