Enforced Project

[SpecB]

Due to this......

Followed by this 2 days later!


I'm now starting my Engine rebuild project earlier than planned!

I two main options in mind right now.....

2.1 Stroker either using my block or a CDB both with my heads

Forged 2.5 with my heads

Cost wise not a lot between them and already know of at least 2 forged 2.5 short engines second hand. Will keep you posted!

[Steve_PPP]

any news on when the car will be back yet?

[Chunk]

Modified 2.5's have been proven time and time again in the bugeyes, i'd go for that

[SpecB]

Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

any news on when the car will be back yet?

No news yet will be chasing today, Still dithering on 2.5 or 2.1 - think I may have found a way to pay for it though! Liking the 2.1 option as it's cheaper and I can get a full long engine built ready to drop in. Although Jimmy's Cosworth 2.5 option is very appealing!

[Hongkongfooi]

Originally Posted by BlueBugEye

No news yet will be chasing today, Still dithering on 2.5 or 2.1 - think I may have found a way to pay for it though! Liking the 2.1 option as it's cheaper and I can get a full long engine built ready to drop in. Although Jimmy's Cosworth 2.5 option is very appealing!

You can't go wrong with either the engine tuner engine or the cosworth....would be nice to have 'cosworth' on the boot though!

I have a feeling you will be eeking in front soon with the power!

[SpecB]

Car is with the repatriation company in Germany now, will be back in a week or so.

Cosworth is definitely my currently preferred option but is a fair bit more than the 2.1, with a 2.1 I could probably get either a 6spd or the Scoobyclinic 5 spd kit fitted at the same time. If I go Cosworth I'll need to go easy until I can get the box sorted!

What are you hoping to achieve with the re-build. What are your targets?

[C. J.]

2.35.....

[2-jaffacake-tone]

Originally Posted by C. J.

2.35.....

hows that a cheap option?

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by 2-jaffacake-tone

hows that a cheap option?

Because you do it once instead of doing a 2.5 then wanting a more safe engine .
Not that i'd know about that !
If he wants a a cheap option why is he looking at cosworth
Eureka's short engine would be a good buy with a bit of bartering

[Anger]

how much power do you want from the build ?

[Anger]

Engine tuner and lots of other tuners have been running over 550 bhp on 2.5's for quite a while now.... All depends on what the car is going to be used for and power targets

Be diferent from the rest and go for a 2.45

[Tyler]

Good luck mate, on the the build and deciding on which route to go...

[simonairheadz]

buy a track car?

[SpecB]

Car's back Monday or Tuesday next week. As for spec I want an engine that will pull well across the rev range and be 500BHP capable but run in the region of 450/450 for daily use. Plan is to get the engine sorted ASAP but run with the current turbo, injectors and ecutek. Then it's a case of sorting the gearbox (6 or uprated 5 speed) and then I'll probably go FMIC, larger injectors and MD321T (or similar) possibly on Syvecs to get the 450/450 goal.

Currently looking at a forged 2.5 from Williams Motorsport to the following spec:

• EJ257 Block (used)
• Crossdrilled Nitrided Crank (new)
• ACL Black Race bearings
• Forged Steel rods (Williams) with ARP bolts
• Wossner or Mahle pistons (depending on availability)
• High Pressure Oil Pump
• Kinetic Head Gaskets
• Water pump
• Cambelt
• ARP Head bolts (11mm)

My heads refurbished, skimmed and new valves etc. all assembled as a long block engine and delivered back to me, all I'd have to do is remove the long block then refit on return followed by a nice safe JGM map. All in £3.5K

Eureka's engine is a good option but would involve having to get the heads sorted myself and also refitting the heads to the block plus the timing belts, jobs I'm not that confident with. Also Williams will be able to get the compression ratio right with the head gaskets if they have the block and heads to re-assemble as a unit.

[C. J.]

Why not get his block and get them to do the head work ?

[SpecB]

Was thinking of going for his block and sending my heads to these guys http://www.cncheads.co.uk/subaru_impreza.html to get them fully sorted.

How much hassle is reassembling the heads to the block and refitting timing belt etc?

[C. J.]

not much
otherwise happy to sell mine as a long block

[eureka]

put post on other thread re my engine
does come with belt tensioners ect

another 1200quid for the above seems excessive when all you need to do with mine is bolt the heads on and mine comes with all the above apart from rcm 12mm oil pump and far better parts


steve

[eureka]

Originally Posted by BlueBugEye

Car is with the repatriation company in Germany now, will be back in a week or so.

Cosworth is definitely my currently preferred option but is a fair bit more than the 2.1, with a 2.1 I could probably get either a 6spd or the Scoobyclinic 5 spd kit fitted at the same time. If I go Cosworth I'll need to go easy until I can get the box sorted!

can do you a deal on the 2.5 and 6 spd box with prop and diff to go straight on your car NO shafts needed

£3300 and its a deal

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by eureka

can do you a deal on the 2.5 and 6 spd box with prop and diff to go straight on your car NO shafts needed

£3300 and its a deal

Think thats more than fair

[eureka]

i think its a bargain

[SpecB]

You guys do have a point...

I'll check how soon I can get hold of the cash and give you a call later on Steve.

[eureka]

pm sent mate

[SpecB]

Just ordered my engine!!!

• EJ257 Block (used)
• Crossdrilled Nitrided Crank (new)
• ACL Black Race bearings
• Forged Steel rods (Williams) with ARP bolts
• Wossner or Mahle pistons (depending on availability)
• High Pressure Oil Pump
• Cometic Head Gaskets
• Water pump
• Cambelt
• ARP Head bolts (11mm)
• Oil Modine
• AVCS Heads (V9 Sti)
• Baffled sump

Should be a couple of weeks to build, just got to get mine out and ready for collection! Then I'll be onto JGM for the Syvecs!!

[C. J.]

cool
engine hoist in the garge if you need it
Would go with low silicone Mahle pistons if it was me , high silicone ones only good for 450bhp ish over that people have had problems . Also if Mahle are good enuff for Ferrai there good anuff for me . Only thing with the low silicone is there very forge sound till up to temp but then are good for 1000bhp !!!!!!
have you gone for JDM heads as they seem to be better castings ?
Also if you want Syvecs get it ordered

[SpecB]

It'll be a while before I can get the mapping done so I'll be in touch with Simon once my engine is out of the car and enroute to Williams.

Andy is suppling the heads for me from an engine he's just had in, basically I lucked out as he has most of the parts in stock at pre, exchange rate increase prices and just got a vgc STi engine in with AVCS heads and already has a 2.5 block stripped and cleaned! (the heads I'm getting for less than Saj's prices!)

Will your hoist fit in the boot of the wagon?

Plus any tips on either cleaning out my turbo or a local place that will 'refurbish' it to get the contaminated oil out?

[C. J.]

yep with the seats down

[SpecB]

Finally got the car into my garage, big thanks to Barnham Trailer hire for the very reasonable price to hire the car trailer!! Will start posting pics as I take the inlet side off the engine and then will be begging for favours when it's time to lift the engine!!

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by BlueBugEye

Will start posting pics as I take the inlet side off the engine and then will be begging for favours when it's time to lift the engine!!

Let me know if you want a hand mate, like i said before - i'm no mechanic but i can help out and its the best way to see how a scoob is bolted together!

[SpecB]

Spent about an hour on her tonight, Got the Intercooler, header tank, washer bottle and air box off. Started undoing the wiring harness and vac lines etc. ready to pull the inlet off tomorrow. Taken lots of pics and made lots of notes but all going pretty well so far as the inlet was only off last year so I'm pretty happy with it so far, any ideas what to do with the alternator, A/C pump and PAS pump?

[666subaru]

Originally Posted by BlueBugEye

Spent about an hour on her tonight, Got the Intercooler, header tank, washer bottle and air box off. Started undoing the wiring harness and vac lines etc. ready to pull the inlet off tomorrow. Taken lots of pics and made lots of notes but all going pretty well so far as the inlet was only off last year so I'm pretty happy with it so far, any ideas what to do with the alternator, A/C pump and PAS pump?

Let us know if we can help too buddy

[Anger]

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/private-for...ort-block.html

[SpecB]

Look good James, I've already got mine in the build process though - the base build should be ready by the middle of next week then once my engine is with him should only be a further week until I have it back!
Any help more than welcome, I should have the inlet off by the weekend - then I'm working blind!! Not sure when I'm going to go for the engine removal though as I'm pretty busy at the weekends at the moment possibly not until July now, not sure it's an evening job!

[C. J.]

You may want to leave the inlet manifold on till the engines out or you may find that you have nothing to fix the hoist too !

[wagon man]

good luck on building your new engine mate

[SpecB]

Plea for help time!!

When's good for me to come up and borrow your hoist Chris and is anybody free any evening next week to help get the engine out?? I'm solid the next two weekends and need the engine out ASAP!

[Mortster]

Ive got next week off Nick, so any evening next week is fine with me to come down.

[Steve_PPP]

what evening you thinking Nick/Nick?

[C. J.]

Any time you want give us a call or if you give us the keys i'll take it out for you in the week

[SpecB]

I'm looking at Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday - I'm going to get straight home from work so should be starting at around 4pm. C.J. I'll call you later today and try to get up Either Sunday or Monday evening to pick up the hoist.

[Mortster]

Free all of those, just let me know .

[Steve_PPP]

i can get there about six on tues/thursday but should have wednesday off work so can be there at 4..

although the england game kicks off at 3

[SpecB]

Scrub Wednesday I'm at work until 8!

[SpecB]

Looks Like Tuesday is the best bet - I'll be pulling the alternator etc today or tomorrow then it should be ready to lift on Tuesday. I should be home by 4pm ready to make a start early doors!

Sian wants to know who may be coming to help or stand giving 'useful' advice so she can sort the catering!

[Mortster]

I'll be down to help, pm me the postcode.

[SpecB]

Cheers for the help guys, almost got there - just need to get one more bolt out of the downpipe, then it's up-pipe, turbo and drivers side header and I think I'm ready to unbolt the gearbox and lift the engine out!! Decided to give up today as the car was only on a trolley jack and the bolt needs to be accessed from under the car and will take some force to get undone so I need to sort some Axel stands so I feel safer!!

I got axle stands and trolley jack if you need them mate

[Steve_PPP]

tell Sian cheers for the bbq food

hope that last bolt in the downpipe doesn't prove to be too much of a sod when you've got the car up on axle stands!

[Mortster]

No worries Nick, We've identified that spider too....Its a False Widow Spider, originaly from the Canary Islands, but now also found in Southen Coastal Regions and wierdly, Inland Surrey.

Carries a fairly nasty sting too, far more severe than a bee or wasp sting.

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by Mortster

No worries Nick, We've identified that spider too....Its a False Widow Spider, originaly from the Canary Islands, but now also found in Southen Coastal Regions and wierdly, Inland Surrey.

Carries a fairly nasty sting too, far more severe than a bee or wasp sting.

Blame global warming eh, can't see why they'd want to come to england if they from the canary islands

[DukeBoy]

Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

Can't see why they'd want to come to england if they from the canary islands

Same reason everyother fcuker does

[SpecB]

Originally Posted by Crowman

I got axle stands and trolley jack if you need them mate

Cheers for the offer, I've got a set buried somewhere in my folks garage!! Starting to wish I'd just paid someone to take the bloody thing out for me!

Originally Posted by Mortster

We've identified that spider too....Its a False Widow Spider, originaly from the Canary Islands, but now also found in Southen Coastal Regions and wierdly, Inland Surrey.

Carries a fairly nasty sting too, far more severe than a bee or wasp sting.

Oh bugger - hope none crawl into my intercooler or radiator while they're in the shed!

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by DukeBoy

Same reason everyother fcuker does

I'd like to see a spider trying to hold a pen and filling out a benefits form

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

I'd like to see a spider trying to hold a pen and filling out a benefits form

they fill it in for them
Or did under labour !

[SpecB]

Having given up on the downpipe bolts I've been having a nice chat with a certain Mr Rivett!

Car's off to him next Wednesday to get the engine taken out and shipped to Andy Willams to complete the build - while the engines off I'm going to sort out the fuel rail brackets and get a HDI Front mount ordered. Mike Rivett will then drop my engine back in and build it up - I'll run it on the esisting ECU and map for a few miles before getting the Syvecs fitted.

[SpecB]

Having had a few thoughts about catch cans I came across this piece of kit!



http://www.grimmspeed.com/catalog/pr...roducts_id=191

[SpecB]

Well cars being collected tonight and taken up to Rivetts Autos for the engine to be pulled before it's sent off and I get my nice new 2.5 in exchange!! The AOS arrived yesterday but I wasn't in to take delivery so will post some pics later. Only stumbling block right now is that Harvey is on holiday so I can't get the Hybrid FMIC until the 12th!

[Mortster]

Forgot to say Nick, Lifestyle in Tunny Wells have that wheel on the rack in the window.

Originally Posted by BlueBugEye

Well cars being collected tonight and taken up to Rivetts Autos for the engine to be pulled before it's sent off and I get my nice new 2.5 in exchange!! The AOS arrived yesterday but I wasn't in to take delivery so will post some pics later. Only stumbling block right now is that Harvey is on holiday so I can't get the Hybrid FMIC until the 12th!

All heading in the right direction Nick.
Bet you cant wait mate

[SpecB]

Sad to see her go last night, really would have liked to sort the car myself but time, talent and space/equipment got the better of me!! Had a good chat with Mike when he came to pick her up so I'm more than happy she's in safe hands.

The AOS arrived and is a excellently made piece of kit, the only issue I have it that it doesn't intercept the Crank case to PCV valve line but I think I'll just put a std catch can in that line as it's one way. My Hybrid FMIC should arrive on Friday and once I've tidied up my fuel rail brackets I'll be up to Mikes to drop the inlet and front mount in.

I'm planning my colour scheme again and will be painting the inlet manifold wrinkle black then slowly replacing the rest of the hoses Samco Blue. So Hopefully I should be on the road again next month.

Final Spec should be as follows:

• Engine
• Syvecs ECU (JGM)
• EJ257 Block
• Nitrided Sti 9 Crank
• Williams Forged Rods
• Weisco Pistons
• Sti 8 AVCS Heads
• ARP 11mm Head Studs
• Cometic head Gaskets
• APS SR40 Turbo
• Spec C Inlet Manifold
• Phenolic Spacers
• Samco inlet hose
• Grimmspeed AOS
• Throttle body coolant bypass
• Perrin Parallel fuel rails
• Sti Pink injectors
• Wallbro 225 Fuel Pump
• High Pressure Oil pump
• Milltek 3' Exhaust (sports Cat)
• Hybrid FMIC
• Hybrid CAK
• Forge BOV
• Exedy stage 1 clutch
• Suspension/Handling
• Eibach 23mm Front ARB
• Eibach 25mm Rear ARB
• Front Strut Brace
• Rear Camber bolts
• BC adjustable coilovers
• Powerflex rear drop links
• 4pot AP racing 330mm front brakes
• DS2500 pads
• Hel braided brake lines
• Interior
• Carbon skinned dash
• Sti 8 Seats
• ICE
• Kenwood DNX5220BT
• CTS Front components
• JL Audio 400x Amp
• JL Audio 12" Sub and box
• Dynamatted front doors
• Exterior
• Orcacri Side Skirts
• Sti 8 rear spoiler
• S202 front Grille
• JDM Sti HID lights
• Prodrive PFF7 18's
• Sti 7 Scoop

It's gonna be the nuts mate

Good to see you have gone for a cheap build as well

[Hongkongfooi]

it will be on 550 inj's?

Originally Posted by Hongkongfooi

it will be on 550 inj's?

I hadn't spotted that You are bumping them up too....... aren't you?

Also, I know it's extra money, but get an oil cooler. I'm sure plenty of people on here will advise the same

[SpecB]

Originally Posted by worzel

It's gonna be the nuts mate

Good to see you have gone for a cheap build as well

3.5K for the engine - not too shabby!

As for injectors I'm not planning to uprate them as yet as I'm going to be getting it mapped around the 350 mark until well run in and then get the G/box done before going for the big numbers. Will I struggle on the pinks, If StevePPP buys my TMIC I'll get my pinks flowed by lateral!

Originally Posted by worzel

Also, I know it's extra money, but get an oil cooler. I'm sure plenty of people on here will advise the same

I'm planning to get one at some point but have already gone way past the budget with the FMIC etc.

[Hongkongfooi]

If I'm right Nick... Worzel's on 800's, I'm on 650's on my 2 litre but Lucky is on 550's on his 2.5.
I'm sure you could get away with the pink's as you say at a low mapping to run in but definately will need more fuel once the syvecs is installed to really make the most of your engine.

Crikey...I almost sound as though I know what I'm doing!

[Anger]

Mine was running 453bhp 503lbs/ft on 650's no problem

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by BlueBugEye

If StevePPP buys my TMIC I'll get my pinks flowed by lateral!

Give it a quick clean and i'll pop over sometime and get it

[SpecB]

If you're lucky I'll fit it for you! Still have the scars from the first time I fitted it!

[Mortster]

Check it for spiders remember...

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by Mortster

Check it for spiders remember...

hahah, they'll soon move out when it warms up!

[SpecB]

Not sure they'll help the airflow!

[SpecB]

Latest Update is that the Engine is out and with Andy Williams in Wales, I should get the 2.5 back from Andy and delivered straight to Mike by the end of this week - Car is booked with JGM for the 26th for the Syvecs!! Just got to get the Manifold painted (wrinkle black) and the fuel rail brackets remade and back up to Mike. Will be painting the FMIC pipework to match the inlet manifold as well so should have quite a good look under the hood when I'm done.

[Steve_PPP]

sounds like everything is moving along quicky!

make sure you give the empty engine bay a good clean out before the engines dropped back in - otherwise you'll have your nice shiny new manifold and intercooler pipework hiding the dirt underneath in hard to reach places!

[Chunk]

Sounds like it going to be a good build

Coming on quick. Hope to see it at a meet soon

[AndyWRX]

Comming alone nicely mate, get some pics up

So Nick. When Simon gets his hands on it and starts the mapping.

Are you going to go balls out and get the big numbers?

Or are you looking for something safer?

[SpecB]

Bit of a hold up in the process, car won't be ready for Monday (26ths) planned mapping session so I'm waiting for Simon to get back to me with a date after he returns from his Hols!

Car will be put on a running in map to start with obviously - then turned up to the 350/400 mark once run in on the existing turbo and injectors. Once I get the gearbox sorted I'll get it mapped again to see what the max it will give on this turbo is. Eventually I'll uprate the injectors and the Turbo MD321T or similar to get my target of 450/450 - other planned changes before this are knock analyser, oil pressure gauges and oil cooler etc. I'm looking for a bomb proof 450/450 with good margins of error. I'll probably have to change the air filter to an RCM setup like Worzels as opposed to the one in the front wing as well.

[Anger]

Why will you have to get rid of the filter in the wing ?

[SpecB]

Originally Posted by Anger

Why will you have to get rid of the filter in the wing ?

It's a possibility as Harvey seems to think you can't get a big enough filter in the inner wing space to flow over 400BHP - I know Steve had filter issues with his and went for the RCM filter. Be a case of seeing what the situation is at the time I'll listen carefully to the Monsters advice when mapping if it appears that's the limiting factor!

[Anger]

I think mine proves that wrong and Granby had his in the wing aswell

Mine on a safe map is running 432bhp 469lbs/ft and has run 458bhp 510lbs/ft with it in the wing

[SpecB]

Is yours the Hybrid FMIC and if so do you know what filter you are running? I can't work out which pipe is which so don't know what size filter I need to fit the CAK!

[SpecB]

All the bits barring the filter are in place, FMIC pipework and inlet painted wrinkle black. Just need to get the parts up to Mike next week for fitting - re-booked with JGM for after his holiday so should have the car back for Japbash but will still be on the running in map I guess.

[Steve_PPP]

really coming together quickly mate

[SpecB]

Off in a bit to see the car, first time for a few weeks! Engine is in just going up to drop the inlet and FMIC up for the finishing touches.

[Hongkongfooi]

Originally Posted by BlueBugEye

Off in a bit to see the car, first time for a few weeks! Engine is in just going up to drop the inlet and FMIC up for the finishing touches.

take your camera Nick!

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by BlueBugEye

Off in a bit to see the car, first time for a few weeks! Engine is in just going up to drop the inlet and FMIC up for the finishing touches.

Not sure if you've left already but if not - but let me know if your passing my way after 4pm-ish

Oh, and can we have our cool-bag back please

[SpecB]

Totally forgot to get the Under tray sorry Steve but I'll be back up your way in a bit due to some unforeseen issues!

Looks like something was put on top of the engine by the couriers, slightly bent a bracket and also dented the turbo actuator - but most annoyingly snapped the oil filler pipe in half. I've also had to get a new oil feed pipe to the turbo due to the different connections on the AVCS heads.

All on order and should be up at Mikes by the end of the week (I hope). Car is now rebooked for the 23rd for the initial running in map - I may try to squeeze the second map in before Japbash if I can get the miles on the car first - 500miles run in oil, then can go for a full map with an oil change again after a further 1K miles.

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by BlueBugEye

Totally forgot to get the Under tray sorry Steve but I'll be back up your way in a bit due to some unforeseen issues!

No worries mate, still gotta find myself a taller scoop to go with it!

Shame you've had extra problems because of the couriers - can you make a claim for the damages with them?

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by BlueBugEye

Totally forgot to get the Under tray sorry Steve but I'll be back up your way in a bit due to some unforeseen issues!

Looks like something was put on top of the engine by the couriers, slightly bent a bracket and also dented the turbo actuator - but most annoyingly snapped the oil filler pipe in half. I've also had to get a new oil feed pipe to the turbo due to the different connections on the AVCS heads.

All on order and should be up at Mikes by the end of the week (I hope). Car is now rebooked for the 23rd for the initial running in map - I may try to squeeze the second map in before Japbash if I can get the miles on the car first - 500miles run in oil, then can go for a full map with an oil change again after a further 1K miles.

Have an oil line for avacs in the garage if its all thats holding it up

[SpecB]

Cheers C.J - got a HEL braided one on order so should be OK but if it turns out to be wrong I'll be in touch.

Can't claim off the couriers as Mike signed for the engine on arrival and didn't notice the damage until it was unwrapped and in the car, in fact he hadn't noticed the dent on the actuator or bent bracket until I was looking over the car yesterday. Worst case scenario is that I may need to replace the actuator if it proves to be damaged (maybe an excuse for a new turbo )

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by BlueBugEye

Cheers C.J - got a HEL braided one on order so should be OK but if it turns out to be wrong I'll be in touch.

Can't claim off the couriers as Mike signed for the engine on arrival and didn't notice the damage until it was unwrapped and in the car, in fact he hadn't noticed the dent on the actuator or bent bracket until I was looking over the car yesterday. Worst case scenario is that I may need to replace the actuator if it proves to be damaged (maybe an excuse for a new turbo )

would have thought he would of learnt after scoobysticks engine change to check packages !

[SpecB]

Hose arrived next day (Hose solutions UK) but has the wrong size Banjo on it - bloody APS turbos! They are happy to take the hose back and will make me a custom one if I send my hose in so they get the size right! So looks more like next week now!

[SpecB]

Finally got all the parts together now, needed a couple of extra bita and a bit of a mix up with the oil feed hose but they all went in the post today so should be withMike tomorrow - all being well I should pick the car up on Friday next week for a very slow drive home before the JGM magic with the custom Syvecs (cheers C.J. and Pat) and the running in map - with the wedding as well looks like mine will be on the running in map for some time!!!

[The Gimp]

Originally Posted by Anger

I think mine proves that wrong and Granby had his in the wing aswell

Mine on a safe map is running 432bhp 469lbs/ft and has run 458bhp 510lbs/ft with it in the wing

+3

Running mine in the wing too. As I said on SN I got mine from Graham Goode Racing.
Flow / intake is fine as per JGM looking at it.

Should be fun once you have the car on the road again mate. Stick with it.

Steve

[SpecB]

I'm going for the K & N from RCM as I'll be deleting the MAF and it was only £50!

Just trying to sort out the fuel supply and fuel regulator etc. now

[Steve_PPP]

sounds like its all coming along mate

where's this undertray got to then?

[Scooby_Greg]

Will you be at the Japbash next Sat? It would be good to see your car and all the work that's gone into it.

[SpecB]

Steve, I should be able to bring the undertray to Japbash sure there's room in the sports boot!